The BeOS file system, an OS geek retrospective

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Post by Tomte » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 4:49 AM UTC

The BeOS file system, an OS geek retrospective
arstechnica.com

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Post by sohkamyung » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 5:13 AM UTC

It's a reprint of an article from 2010, so perhaps (2010) should be added to the HN title, in case people are expecting to read something new about BeOS in 2018.

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Post by pbreit » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 5:47 AM UTC

Why would BeOS not be open source at this point?

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Post by Tomte » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 5:49 AM UTC

pbreit wrote: post #3

Why would BeOS not be open source at this point?

Is there a real difference to Haiku?

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Post by Tomte » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 5:50 AM UTC

Also interesting: Practical File System Design with the Be File System

http://www.nobius.org/~dbg/practical-file-system-design.pdf

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Post by pbreit » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 5:54 AM UTC

Tomte wrote: post #4

pbreit wrote: post #3

Why would BeOS not be open source at this point?

Is there a real difference to Haiku?

My understanding is that there is not much BeOS in Haiku.

"The only BeOS code that has made it into Haiku are Tracker and the Deskbar (the file manager and the equivalent of the start menu/taskbar, respectively)."

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Post by codezero » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 5:59 AM UTC

pbreit wrote: post #3

Why would BeOS not be open source at this point?

Bought by Palm, then HP, then ??? I guess, try to navigate that corporate IP nightmare.

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Post by silisili » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 6:00 AM UTC

pbreit wrote: post #6

Tomte wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a real difference to Haiku?

My understanding is that there is not much BeOS in Haiku. "The only BeOS code that has made it into Haiku are Tracker and the Deskbar (the file manager and the equivalent of the start menu/taskbar, respectively)."

Understood...but then what is Haiku. I stil remember when r5 was released...an unheard of OS. As a tech geek I installed it and was blown away. Especially the media capabilities...two streams playing at once. That OS was way ahead of its time, and a shameful demise. I was excited about Haiku until I saw how far behind it was. And I mean absolutely 0 disrespect to its authors... but today it seems like an attempt to keep stable an already decades old OS that lost its way.

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Post by alain94040 » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 6:19 AM UTC

silisili wrote: post #8

pbreit wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that there is not much BeOS in Haiku. "The only BeOS code that has made it into Haiku are Tracker and the Deskbar (the file manager and the equivalent of the start menu/taskbar, respectively)."

Understood...but then what is Haiku. I stil remember when r5 was released...an unheard of OS. As a tech geek I installed it and was blown away. Especially the media capabilities...two streams playing at once. That OS was way ahead of its time, and a shameful demise. I was excited about Haiku until I saw how far behind it was. And I mean absolutely 0 disrespect to its authors... but today it seems like an attempt to k…

What would blow you away today? I’m always curious to know what to build next.

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Post by gigatexal » Fri, Jul 06, 2018, 6:19 AM UTC

Having never played with BeOS but dabbled with Haiku — the richness of the BeOS filesystem would have won me over in a heart beat. Imagine if Microsoft bought them and then actually shipped a proper reFS that had the same richness? Or if Apple had — meh, Apple should have just paid Oracle the license fees and licensed ZFS. Or co-opted openZFS (not sure if that’s possible either, legally).