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Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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I am thinking about moving from US to London. So, I am curious to know why you prefer UK to US despite the salary gap. Also, do you know how does their healthcare compare?

"I am thinking about moving from US to London. So, I am curious to know why you prefer UK to US despite the salary gap." Because it's not all about the money. People make mistake by comparing salaries on their own which is not correct, you need to compare what's left of your salary after you've afforded the same level of lifestyle. You might look at $140k as a lot of money and £40k as very little money but you need t…

I agree with your sentiment but -

> you can't put a price on a 5min commute to work and letting your children play outside

That's very achieveable in parts of the US, and unachieveable in parts of the UK.

> having ghettos or "bad areas" in your city

Not exclusive to the US by any means. Plenty of nice cities in the UK have ghetto/bad areas.

> sending your kids to university without paying anything

If you live in England, this is definitely not applicable. Based on [0] (no idea how reputable the source is, but the first I could find) The average student loan debt is just shy of £35k. Anyone who borrowed for university from 2012 or later is paying 3% + RPI interest on their loans - That's fairly substantial.

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/376423/student-loans-eng...

Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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There's also the holiday, or rather lack of it - there are many things about the UK I could grumble about, but every other Anglosphere country seems to have worse annual leave.

3 weeks is common for USA tech companies now. What is it in the uk?

the statutory minimum is 5.6 weeks paid holiday/year

and it's for every employee, including those not working for tech giants (e.g. people stacking shelves in supermarkets)

if you normally work 5 days/week that's 5.6*5 == 28 days paid holiday/year

(and this is the minimum, so most jobs give you more)

Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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"I am thinking about moving from US to London. So, I am curious to know why you prefer UK to US despite the salary gap." Because it's not all about the money. People make mistake by comparing salaries on their own which is not correct, you need to compare what's left of your salary after you've afforded the same level of lifestyle. You might look at $140k as a lot of money and £40k as very little money but you need t…

I agree with your sentiment but - > you can't put a price on a 5min commute to work and letting your children play outside That's very achieveable in parts of the US, and unachieveable in parts of the UK. > having ghettos or "bad areas" in your city Not exclusive to the US by any means. Plenty of nice cities in the UK have ghetto/bad areas. > sending your kids to university without paying anything If you live in Engl…

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Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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This is a bit strange that this is news considering a lot of the foundations of the tech industry were created at Cambridge and it's never stopped, with ARM being the most visible example. I'm assuming that average people outside of Europe are not aware of Cambridge's importance. Is it also true of the avg person in Europe as well?

Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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In complete terms it's more like 3x that $78k figure. The salary would be bad enough. The big US tech companies are nearly all publicly traded. So that $142,000 is really $250,000 or more in total compensation. The UK, and Europe more broadly, not only can't compete with the salaries, they can't compete with the ability to dish vast stock compensation thanks to the immense market caps that Google et al. have. If you'…

Not to mention that marginal tax in the UK is 40% income tax for 45k+ (45% over 150k) + 2% national insurance which is actually more marginal tax than SF, the highest taxed state in the US. Of course UK has the NHS fee healthcare, but if you're pulling $200k+ in SF you probably have medical benefits too.

> Of course UK has the NHS fee healthcare, but if you're pulling $200k+ in SF you probably have medical benefits too.

What about when you're not pulling $200k because you had an illness, had an accident, started a business that didn't go well or just got fired?

Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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3 weeks is common for USA tech companies now. What is it in the uk?

the statutory minimum is 5.6 weeks paid holiday/year and it's for every employee, including those not working for tech giants (e.g. people stacking shelves in supermarkets) if you normally work 5 days/week that's 5.6*5 == 28 days paid holiday/year (and this is the minimum, so most jobs give you more)

How much does a tech company in Cambridge or London usually give?

I had around 4 weeks at Microsoft (3 weeks + 5 seniority days).

Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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Also we get 2-3x more holiday, and sick days don't come from your holiday allowance. And the hours are shorter. I work 40 hours a week for very good pay (for the UK). Previous job was 37.5 hours. I bet Google's hours are much longer.

I know a lot of Google US employees who work 40 hour weeks (plenty who work more but usually by choice), their sick days don’t come out of their vacation allowance at all, and after 4 years of working there they get 5 weeks of vacation per year on top of 12 days of paid holidays. Even Amazon employees do pretty well, getting 2 weeks paid time off + 1 week of "personal days" (de facto vacation days) in year 1, then th…

> plenty who work more but usually by choice

Ah, the usual "I do it because I want to do it, there's just so much work to do and it's not going away, you know how it is in this position, you can't never really disconnect"

Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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Why’s that?

My guess would be healthcare costs, bay area living costs or the dice you you have to pass every time you encounter a police offer.

People are down voting because of the dice roll part. But it's not that far off reality when compared with other western nations

Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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Why are UK tech salaries so low compared to the US?

Because outside of financial services, there aren't that many highly profitable companies, Google or Facebook profitability levels are not common in Europe. Salaries have been rising though, and London salaries are twice or more than much of Europe.

They aren't common in America either!

Re: Tech Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge, UK

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> 100k in SF is the same as 70k in London which is the same as 5k in Tunis. Not really. Only some things are significantly affected by the local cost of living: rent, food, nights out for instance. Sure, they probably make up the majority of your spending, but CoL is almost irrelevant for - Buying luxuries: a Porsche or an iPhone are nearly the same price everywhere in the world - Going on vacation - Savings, if you…

iPhones same price everywhere? Lol. When the GBP was a bit stronger you could fund a trip to NY and buy an iPhoneX/Macbook instead of buying in the UK.

Sure, maybe occasionally there are anomalies, with extreme price hikes for specific things in specific places. Right now iPhone X prices seem to be reasonably close everywhere (not-so-great-source: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-x-prices-around-...).

I think this doesn't affect my point though, which is mainly that iPhones are just as expensive in generally cheap places.

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