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Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by blfr »

StavrosK wrote: post #47
blfr wrote: post #45

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As a user, these laws bring me nothing but annoyance. Not only do I get a cookie warning on many sites but now also a GDPR interstitial to click through. And dozens of emails about updated terms. Not to mention that some sites now require a non-EU proxy. All to solve a problem that was 100% solved a decade ago with a simple adblock. I can't imagine a more effective anti-EU campaign than these Internet laws.

You get a GDPR interstitial allowing you to opt out of tracking. I'm not sure how you could adblock your way out of Foursquare selling your location to advertisers.

I already opted out of tracking by blocking the vast majority of trackers. All that without clicking through a single warning or receiving a single email.

I have also opted out of Foursquare (and Facebook, and many other services of very dubious value) by not using it. The main obstacle that stops Foursquare from selling my location history is not having anything to sell.

If, on the other hand, that opting out requires clicking through a slew of warnings every time I visit a website, I'd rather see my browsing history sold to advertisers. Frankly, I'd like an EU_CITIZEN_WHO_DOES_NOT_CARE browser header to opt out of all these protections.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by StavrosK »

blfr wrote: post #51
StavrosK wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get a GDPR interstitial allowing you to opt out of tracking. I'm not sure how you could adblock your way out of Foursquare selling your location to advertisers.

I already opted out of tracking by blocking the vast majority of trackers. All that without clicking through a single warning or receiving a single email. I have also opted out of Foursquare (and Facebook, and many other services of very dubious value) by not using it. The main obstacle that stops Foursquare from selling my location history is not having anything to sell. If, on the other hand, that opting out requir…

Then you have no problem, you can simply stop using all these services that give you the annoying GDPR popups, like you did with Foursquare. Problem solved.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by blfr »

StavrosK wrote: post #52
blfr wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already opted out of tracking by blocking the vast majority of trackers. All that without clicking through a single warning or receiving a single email. I have also opted out of Foursquare (and Facebook, and many other services of very dubious value) by not using it. The main obstacle that stops Foursquare from selling my location history is not having anything to sell. If, on the other hand, that opting out requir…

Then you have no problem, you can simply stop using all these services that give you the annoying GDPR popups, like you did with Foursquare. Problem solved.

No, I can't because the EU mandated all these random sites I visit from Google to show these warnings.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by toomuchtodo »

skookumchuck wrote: post #39
bootloop wrote: post #14

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This comment is mixing up too many topics. I will just say that doing what US companies do should not be what Europe should aim for to get ahead. It would be no step forward.

Looking at a 30 year trend in, say, the S&P 500 vs the European stock index, suggests Europe would do much better if they started emulating US business.

Would that emulation be prioritizing shareholder returns over everything else (those profits have come at the expense of the environment and US worker pay and benefits)? As an American, I implore Europe to not make the same mistakes we have in the name of unbridled capitalism. Defend the quality of life you have that we foolishly relinquished.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by gnadx »

TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

Honestly, at this point I'm more worried about whether climate change is going to kill us all within the next ten years to care too much about any of that.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by lainga »

sanbor wrote: post #19
pilaf wrote: post #7

I think it should be noted that this is the entire Spanish language Wikipedia, not Spanish as in "from Spain", so this shutdown affects a lot of people (estimated 350 million native Spanish speakers worldwide). I haven't seen the community discussion that led to this decision, but assuming that it was democratically decided across collaborators from the entire Spanish-speaking world, I think gives the protest a lot m…

I totally agree and it was actually the reason that I submitted it. I tried to read something from Wikipedia en español and got that even though I'm not in Europe. Do you think that the title "Wikipedia in Spanish also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law" is better? My English is not good enough to be certain that sentence is correct.

No I think it's fine. English-speaking people don't go around saying "but I'm from America, not England".

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by sraw3 »

throwawayee wrote: post #34
TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

> Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... Mobile is very popular now. Most of the mobile hardware is China-based. Now most Europeans and Americans use Chinese hardware. Is the US and EU falling behind? Entrepreneurs will look for business given the current laws and opportunities. The data-mining business is just not a way to go now in the EU, with all the legal over…

China-based? China-assembled.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by smnrchrds »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #54
skookumchuck wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at a 30 year trend in, say, the S&P 500 vs the European stock index, suggests Europe would do much better if they started emulating US business.

Would that emulation be prioritizing shareholder returns over everything else (those profits have come at the expense of the environment and US worker pay and benefits)? As an American, I implore Europe to not make the same mistakes we have in the name of unbridled capitalism. Defend the quality of life you have that we foolishly relinquished.

Agreed. If all worker protection laws (minimum wage, holiday, overtime, safety regulations, etc.) are repealed tomorrow, there would be a huge jump in S&P500. If America does this, should Europe follow suit lest it falls behind? It is best to maximize quality of life for citizens, not total stock market index.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by golemiprague »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #54
skookumchuck wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at a 30 year trend in, say, the S&P 500 vs the European stock index, suggests Europe would do much better if they started emulating US business.

Would that emulation be prioritizing shareholder returns over everything else (those profits have come at the expense of the environment and US worker pay and benefits)? As an American, I implore Europe to not make the same mistakes we have in the name of unbridled capitalism. Defend the quality of life you have that we foolishly relinquished.

European companies are even worst than Americans in that sense. With so much regulation they block any small player who wants to compete and keep the power and money in the hand of few people. The US is much better in that sense and is much better in distributing wealth in a natural way rather than via government handouts which Europe must do because of their archaic, stiff and regulated business world.
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