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Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by arcticbull »

Cort3z wrote: post #22
TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

The EU says sorry for making Linux

And the world-wide web (Tim Berners-Lee at CERN)

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by greglindahl »

Zhenya wrote: post #40
throwawayee wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... Mobile is very popular now. Most of the mobile hardware is China-based. Now most Europeans and Americans use Chinese hardware. Is the US and EU falling behind? Entrepreneurs will look for business given the current laws and opportunities. The data-mining business is just not a way to go now in the EU, with all the legal over…

Chinese hardware with US based OS and mostly US based services.

And even US-built chips. For quite a while iPhones with final assembly in China had processors built by Samsung in Austin, Texas, using semiconductor fab equipment built in Germany and the US.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by TiredOfLife »

The most likely result from these shutdowns is that people will just google for what they were looking for. And in stead of more or less correct information will get whatever shows up. (For example looking up vaccines will get some antivax stuff)

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by HumanDrivenDev »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #8
TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

>During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... Not all services popular in Europe are US-based. Asos, Zalando, Flixbus, Klarna, Xing, Spotify, Auto1, Takeaway.com are just some of the big names, that lots of people in Europe are using on daily basis. Here in Berlin there are lots of…

Asos, Zalando, Flixbus, Klarna, Xing, Spotify, Auto1, Takeaway.com

I'm not from Europe or America and the only one I've heard of is 'spotify'.

Are you really denying that the EU is well behind the US in terms of software though? I mean that's immediately obvious to any casual observer. Not sure why people are so defensive about it.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by blfr »

StavrosK wrote: post #23
TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

> Laws that put Europe behind the rest of the world in how easy it is to build online services It is, indeed, inconvenient to consider the rights of the users when building a service, especially when they aren't the ones who pay you for it. Still, I'm not sure it's such a bad idea.

As a user, these laws bring me nothing but annoyance. Not only do I get a cookie warning on many sites but now also a GDPR interstitial to click through.

And dozens of emails about updated terms. Not to mention that some sites now require a non-EU proxy.

All to solve a problem that was 100% solved a decade ago with a simple adblock. I can't imagine a more effective anti-EU campaign than these Internet laws.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by blfr »

Cort3z wrote: post #22
TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

The EU says sorry for making Linux

Even Linus left for the US.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by StavrosK »

blfr wrote: post #45
StavrosK wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Laws that put Europe behind the rest of the world in how easy it is to build online services It is, indeed, inconvenient to consider the rights of the users when building a service, especially when they aren't the ones who pay you for it. Still, I'm not sure it's such a bad idea.

As a user, these laws bring me nothing but annoyance. Not only do I get a cookie warning on many sites but now also a GDPR interstitial to click through. And dozens of emails about updated terms. Not to mention that some sites now require a non-EU proxy. All to solve a problem that was 100% solved a decade ago with a simple adblock. I can't imagine a more effective anti-EU campaign than these Internet laws.

You get a GDPR interstitial allowing you to opt out of tracking. I'm not sure how you could adblock your way out of Foursquare selling your location to advertisers.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by doingmyting »

throwawayee wrote: post #34
TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

> Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... Mobile is very popular now. Most of the mobile hardware is China-based. Now most Europeans and Americans use Chinese hardware. Is the US and EU falling behind? Entrepreneurs will look for business given the current laws and opportunities. The data-mining business is just not a way to go now in the EU, with all the legal over…

China only assembles the hardware. Almost none of the parts in your mobile is made in China. Look to Taiwan, South Korea, US etc for that.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by EpicEng »

bootloop wrote: post #14
TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

This comment is mixing up too many topics. I will just say that doing what US companies do should not be what Europe should aim for to get ahead. It would be no step forward.

>It would be no step forward.

By which set of metrics? These US companies are extremely successful. I'm assuming your ideological position(s) runs afoul of them, and that's fine, but how does that help businesses in the EU?

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by EpicEng »

Cort3z wrote: post #22
TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

The EU says sorry for making Linux

UNIX was invented in the US and Linus came over to the states, so...
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