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Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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It's implemented as a JS redirect to: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicado_4_julio_2... If you have JS disabled, everything works as usual.

Ah, I was wondering why it looked fine to me. Disabling JS wins again!

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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We seriously need a (law compatible) system to punish lawmakers, in a way that they would never even think to touch basic rights like freedom of speech. Having a constitution or a democracy is clearly not enough. That's the next step for a just world.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

> Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber...

Mobile is very popular now. Most of the mobile hardware is China-based. Now most Europeans and Americans use Chinese hardware. Is the US and EU falling behind?

Entrepreneurs will look for business given the current laws and opportunities. The data-mining business is just not a way to go now in the EU, with all the legal overhead.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

It's easy to blame European lawmakers. However, Europe is a much harder market to operate in with our without laws that add bureaucratic overhead. Europe is really several much smaller markets. If you want to launch your startup in Europe you are likely only going to initially launch in let's say the French or German market. To get to the other markets you have not only to translate your product, but redo marketing, adjust to additional laws, maybe even sightly adjust the look and feel of your product to the new country you are expanding to. In the US you generally have access to a humongous market in one swoop. Americans tend to pad themselves on the shoulder a lot and think it's because of better rhetoric l entrepreneurial spirit and better regulation, but the inherently fractured market is by far the biggest disadvantage for European startups.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

> Laws that put Europe behind the rest of the world in how easy it is to build online services It is, indeed, inconvenient to consider the rights of the users when building a service, especially when they aren't the ones who pay you for it. Still, I'm not sure it's such a bad idea.

Have you considered that users can think for themselves, that we might not have to spoon-feed them? :-)

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

> I wonder where this will lead to.

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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post #33

We seriously need a (law compatible) system to punish lawmakers, in a way that they would never even think to touch basic rights like freedom of speech. Having a constitution or a democracy is clearly not enough. That's the next step for a just world.

I remember reading years ago about prohibiting politicians from practicing if they proposed too many laws that we found to be in conflict with the constitution. I believe ancient Greece had something like this but cannot find anything about it anymore.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

This comment is mixing up too many topics. I will just say that doing what US companies do should not be what Europe should aim for to get ahead. It would be no step forward.

Looking at a 30 year trend in, say, the S&P 500 vs the European stock index, suggests Europe would do much better if they started emulating US business.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

> Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... Mobile is very popular now. Most of the mobile hardware is China-based. Now most Europeans and Americans use Chinese hardware. Is the US and EU falling behind? Entrepreneurs will look for business given the current laws and opportunities. The data-mining business is just not a way to go now in the EU, with all the legal over…

Chinese hardware with US based OS and mostly US based services.
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