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Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by ma2rten » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:05 PM UTC

ivan_gammel wrote: post #11

thecleaner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood the lamentation of Europe not having an internet giant and I mean it as a question. Does it matter whether the companies are American ? I mean their economic contribution are taxes and jobs. Companies would pay as little taxes as is possible no matter where they are and regarding jobs if these companies find sufficient talent in Europe they would setup offices here (like Google is doing in Berlin).…

I think Google has bigger presence in Munich - at least, they are hiring engineers there, not in Berlin. But, of course, this proves your point even better :)

That's true, but the office is still relatively small. Zurich, London and Dublin are the biggest European locations.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by Cort3z » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:06 PM UTC

TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

The EU says sorry for making Linux

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by StavrosK » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:14 PM UTC

TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

> Laws that put Europe behind the rest of the world in how easy it is to build online services

It is, indeed, inconvenient to consider the rights of the users when building a service, especially when they aren't the ones who pay you for it. Still, I'm not sure it's such a bad idea.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by pilaf » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:18 PM UTC

sanbor wrote: post #19

pilaf wrote: post #7

I think it should be noted that this is the entire Spanish language Wikipedia, not Spanish as in "from Spain", so this shutdown affects a lot of people (estimated 350 million native Spanish speakers worldwide). I haven't seen the community discussion that led to this decision, but assuming that it was democratically decided across collaborators from the entire Spanish-speaking world, I think gives the protest a lot m…

I totally agree and it was actually the reason that I submitted it. I tried to read something from Wikipedia en español and got that even though I'm not in Europe. Do you think that the title "Wikipedia in Spanish also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law" is better? My English is not good enough to be certain that sentence is correct.

What about "Spanish language Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law"?

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by jwilk » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:20 PM UTC

It's implemented as a JS redirect to:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicado_4_julio_2...

If you have JS disabled, everything works as usual.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by contravariant » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:22 PM UTC

TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

To be more precise the web is centralising and fracturing in all the wrong places.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by dgut » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:41 PM UTC

ivan_gammel wrote: post #8

TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

>During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... Not all services popular in Europe are US-based. Asos, Zalando, Flixbus, Klarna, Xing, Spotify, Auto1, Takeaway.com are just some of the big names, that lots of people in Europe are using on daily basis. Here in Berlin there are lots of…

With the exception of Spotify, none of those services you name are "big" in Europe. And we use those services on a US or South Korean device. :-)

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by Retric » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:44 PM UTC

Cort3z wrote: post #22

TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

The EU says sorry for making Linux

You mean that reimplemention of US originated UNIX, managed by the guy who moved to the US? ;-)

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by LeoPanthera » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:50 PM UTC

blahblahblogger wrote: post #18

TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

I thought this comment sounded familiar, you posted the exact same comment yesterday on the "Italian Wikipedia" article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17450827 . I can't wait for the French, German, and Greek wikipedia to also shut down so that I can read this again!

I don't see a problem with repeating a comment on a nearly identical post. I've done it before.

Re: Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed EU copyright law

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Post by dgut » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 11:51 PM UTC

Cort3z wrote: post #22

TekMol wrote: post #2

The web is becoming more and more fragmented. I wonder where this will lead to. Europe seems to fall behind the US at an accelerating pace. During the last two decades, Europe already failed to take part in building the internet. Now Europeans all use US services. Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber... This was due to the culture of Europes entrepreneurs which is often "bureaucracy first, product la…

The EU says sorry for making Linux

To be fair, there wouldn't be any Linux without Unix & C, but there would definitely exist many other "Linux", e.g the __superior__ FreeBSD. Not diminishing Linux's achievements in any way. :-)