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Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database with 340M Records

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Oh, man, another missed opportunity to make the average Joe Six-Pack become aware of data aggregation and privacy violations. If the researcher had downloaded the 2TB of data and published it as a torrent, then laymen might care. When someone can query the list and see his own personal information being broadcast, they will understand. When they realize that anyone can look up the address, phone, and all sorts of oth…

> If the researcher had downloaded the 2TB of data and published it as a torrent, then laymen might care

Nope. In fact, you couldn't be more wrong. The outcome Joe Six-Pack would get from it is not that "data aggregators are dangerous" but that "security researchers, privacy advocates and cyber-criminals are pretty much the same, they are doing the same thing - stealing your data from a honest hard-working marketers - and then hide behind 'privacy' and 'research' when they get caught". And most of the press will run with it gladly, it's an entertaining story.

You can't do your cause - whatever it is - worse disservice than to commit crime "to show them". That makes you a criminal - whose argument will be ignored because nobody wants to agree with a criminal - and your cause the one which is promoted by criminals. It's very hard to argue from this position. Sometimes there's no choice - i.e. if the whole enterprise is criminalized in advance, as is criticism of the power in totalitarian states. But nobody smart should put oneself in this position voluntarily.

> going full Snowden would have had much greater impact

Snowden revealed secrets of the NSA that did not hurt average citizen - on the contrary, in many cases were deployed against the average citizen. In this case, you would be the one directly hurting the average citizen. You wouldn't get the Snowden cape.

Re: Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database with 340M Records

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"Missed opportunity" ? People can be stabbed in the back if they go into dark alleys without watching behind them. Let's stab a few people who go into these alleys so that everyone will be afraid to do so and we have an opportunity to prevent people being stabbed in future by making them aware. Why would you possibly think this is a good idea? The idea is to prevent pain, not cause more pain in some bizarre attempt a…

Your analogy misrepresents the grandfather's point. A closer analogy for his argument might be: - Some high number X of dark alley stabbings occur each year. - But alleys still "feel" safe to people, because the stabbings aren't well-publicized. So people don't know to avoid them and the rate X remains the same. - Let's publicize alley stabbings in an emotionally impactful way, so people know to avoid alleys and we c…

> Let's publicize alley stabbings in an emotionally impactful way

The top post doesn't promote publicizing data breaches that already happened. It is promoting obtaining and publishing the data which weren't published before. It is completely different things. Like making a TV series about alley stabbings - and stabbing actual people in the alley to get better scenes for this video. The former is great, the latter is a heinous crime which can ruin the whole cause.

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That’s career suicide and it likely would come with let’s make an example out of you sentencing (depending where lived).

The researcher was using Shodan to probe the entire range of IP addresses allocated in the USA. He found an unprotected site and queried it knowing it should not have been accessible. He queried the personal info on specific people that WIRED asked him about. He revealed data to a third party ("a sample of the data Troia shared [with WIRED]"). An argument could be made that every step above was illegal. I don't agree…

There's still difference between "probing a couple of data points to establish a breach" and "downloading the thing wholesale and spilling it out". The first can be reasonably argued as legit research - not always successfully, true, there is a lot of overzealous prosecution, but at least there's a case. The second is clearly either premeditated malice or reckless disregard for the harm to others - you'd have no defense for it.

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In America, they simply do not know the last 300 years of history.

Practically everyone knows about the second world war, but nothing is being done about rising fascism. It has nothing to do with not knowing, it's just stupidity.

And how many know about the Ludlow Massacre?

There is no rising fascism in America, if people really knew anything about the Wiemar Republic, Republican Spain, or March on Rome they would know that the left always loses when it tried to be humane and gain power. The only time the left gains power is when 'tankies' are the ones leading the resistance.

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Your analogy misrepresents the grandfather's point. A closer analogy for his argument might be: - Some high number X of dark alley stabbings occur each year. - But alleys still "feel" safe to people, because the stabbings aren't well-publicized. So people don't know to avoid them and the rate X remains the same. - Let's publicize alley stabbings in an emotionally impactful way, so people know to avoid alleys and we c…

> Let's publicize alley stabbings in an emotionally impactful way The top post doesn't promote publicizing data breaches that already happened. It is promoting obtaining and publishing the data which weren't published before. It is completely different things. Like making a TV series about alley stabbings - and stabbing actual people in the alley to get better scenes for this video. The former is great, the latter is…

It says that the tech savvy bad actors may already have it

Re: Marketing Firm Exactis Leaked a Personal Info Database with 340M Records

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> Let's publicize alley stabbings in an emotionally impactful way The top post doesn't promote publicizing data breaches that already happened. It is promoting obtaining and publishing the data which weren't published before. It is completely different things. Like making a TV series about alley stabbings - and stabbing actual people in the alley to get better scenes for this video. The former is great, the latter is…

It says that the tech savvy bad actors may already have it

Doesn't matter. It's like justifying mugging by saying "well, criminals might have mugged you anyway, if not me then somebody else". If somebody might have committed the crime, does not justify committing it again.

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Practically everyone knows about the second world war, but nothing is being done about rising fascism. It has nothing to do with not knowing, it's just stupidity.

And how many know about the Ludlow Massacre? There is no rising fascism in America, if people really knew anything about the Wiemar Republic, Republican Spain, or March on Rome they would know that the left always loses when it tried to be humane and gain power. The only time the left gains power is when 'tankies' are the ones leading the resistance.

I do not comprehend the actual point you intend to make.

But, remember the left chooses the hard road, not because they can but because it is moral.

Regardless, Trump is absolutely a fascist. It seems a bit futile to disagree.

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