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In Q2 2018, Global VC Scales Tipped In Favor Of Chinese Startups Over American

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Re: In Q2 2018, Global VC Scales Tipped In Favor Of Chinese Startups Over American

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Many thanks to the lopsided high skilled immigration rules, combined with China focused VCs, a lot of reverse brain drain to China has lead to this. Imagine if every Masters or a PhD grad was given a green card. US would still have been a leader in tech (at least wrt VC spending metric)

That's not the entire story. Many skilled Chinese people want to stay in China these days. It's a lot better there than it used to be.

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Why would a company with such massive revenue need to bring in so much external capital? Wouldn't the current stakeholders be better off keeping more of the pie?

Keep in mind $9 billion in sales is not quite massive revenue in the pool that Ant is now swimming. Their financial footing is not nearly so large as their scale of processing, they've only begun generating meaningful profit in the last year or two. Google is at $110 billion in sales, JP Morgan is at $94 billion, those are massive. The dilution of current stakeholders is intentional. I believe it was required by Chin…

>Or put it simply: Ant may end up being worth several hundred billion dollars. Imagine Jack Ma owning 2/3 of something worth $400 billion. Now picture the target on his back, that would go along with such power and control over the Chinese economy. It'd be Jack Ma vs Xi, and Jack Ma would lose; a very dangerous game to play if you're a simple civilian. Better to stay smaller and get to continue doing what you want to do (operate Alibaba and Ant), by giving up some power, ownership, and not being in any way perceived as a meaningful threat to the authorities and their absolute control.

For a Westerner, you seem to be rather perceptive of such things. The wording for "instant billionaires" among CCP members is "the new class."

It doesn't take long to guess that they freaking hate and loath anybody passing as a successful person and Jack Ma is the prime example of one. Just how full of bile they are.

Re: In Q2 2018, Global VC Scales Tipped In Favor Of Chinese Startups Over American

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Many thanks to the lopsided high skilled immigration rules, combined with China focused VCs, a lot of reverse brain drain to China has lead to this. Imagine if every Masters or a PhD grad was given a green card. US would still have been a leader in tech (at least wrt VC spending metric)

The number of Chinese students staying in the US after graduation has been relatively steady for the last 10 years; the number of Chinese students coming to the US, in contrast, has exploded, pushing the stay percentage down.

Re: In Q2 2018, Global VC Scales Tipped In Favor Of Chinese Startups Over American

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Many thanks to the lopsided high skilled immigration rules, combined with China focused VCs, a lot of reverse brain drain to China has lead to this. Imagine if every Masters or a PhD grad was given a green card. US would still have been a leader in tech (at least wrt VC spending metric)

Most graduate students in the US are of foreign origin anyways. At some moment studying abroad will not be necessary anymore.

Re: In Q2 2018, Global VC Scales Tipped In Favor Of Chinese Startups Over American

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Ant Financial has been involved in some very dodgy crowd funding schemes (though it is definitely the least dodgy of the bunch), the government has a right to be weary of them.

Any source? I'm genuinely interested

Ant is effectively a bank, and a huge one at that. The showstopper there is its staggeringly low capital ratio of ~0.5% - this is not a typo.

If it were to be classified as a bank, it will have to be instantaneously closed down for violating just every banking regulation China has.

And this is the true contention point, if they were to close Ant or arrest Ma with his Robin Hood image, it will be extremely unpopular.

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Good luck and have fun with that. Double up on your due diligence there, as lies abound and there are no rules.

The recent explosion in investment activity likely indicates this is no longer the case (although you may have to learn some different rules).

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>>>In early June, news broke that Ant Financial, an electronic payments service company affiliated with Alibaba, had raised a staggering $14 billion in what’s technically a Series C round. To date, it’s the largest venture funding round in history. Led by Temasek Holdings and GIC (a Singaporean sovereign wealth fund), the round reportedly values Ant Financial at $150 billion. For perspective, that’s roughly twice Ube…

One of the reasons US-based startups grow so quickly is that the ones with traction here tap into a (relatively) homogeneous 300+ million market. A Chinese company with similar market share potential has tapped into about 4X that market. Growth rate is much faster in such a market, as opposed to global growth that has to deal with diverse sources of friction (e.g. Uber's challenges in London, Paris, etc. vs in the US…

I'm curious about how much of the considerable Chinese population is actually available to market tech products to. Something tells me comparing the populations straight up is misleading.

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As a side note: I'm very curious to see what softbank[1] does, they've made an impressive list of investment and Japan generally is in an interesting position[2].

[1] https://pitchbook.com/news/articles/vision-fund-101-inside-s... //

[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23948-5.pdf //

Re: In Q2 2018, Global VC Scales Tipped In Favor Of Chinese Startups Over American

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the reasons US-based startups grow so quickly is that the ones with traction here tap into a (relatively) homogeneous 300+ million market. A Chinese company with similar market share potential has tapped into about 4X that market. Growth rate is much faster in such a market, as opposed to global growth that has to deal with diverse sources of friction (e.g. Uber's challenges in London, Paris, etc. vs in the US…

I'm curious about how much of the considerable Chinese population is actually available to market tech products to. Something tells me comparing the populations straight up is misleading.

> Something tells me comparing the populations straight up is misleading.

Totally agree: once chosen by the Communist Party, a company is likely to enjoy state-sanctioned monopoly status. Not only will they have access to the entire population, the population may have no access to any other service provider in the same sector.

Re: In Q2 2018, Global VC Scales Tipped In Favor Of Chinese Startups Over American

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Incredible. It does seem like innovation in US is in a slowdown, with the tech giants being the only ones thinking long terms, and the VCs trying to flip companies to the tech giants on 3-5 year time scales. But very hard to tell what's going on, for me at least.
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