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Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by monetus »

some_account wrote: post #138
melbourne_mat wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no silver bullet replacement for the Google ecosystem. However there are plenty of choices for many important services such as Email, file/ photo storage, contacts / calendars, etc. You just gotta take the plunge!

The problem is people wanting one company to handle all their needs. When that company goes evil, their entire digital life goes down the drain. Email is the single most important thing, and I can't understand why people use Google for that in 2018.

There isn't exactly a plug-and-play, self hosted version out there advertising itself.

Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by ehllo »

Waterluvian wrote: post #77
nixpulvis wrote: post #66

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The problem isn't that an extension was removed. There will always be erroneous attempts at making things safer for users when playing the game of content moderator. The problem is that Google is impossible to talk to, and makes no effort to help when things go wrong. As a current user of gmail this worries me.

This petrifies me. Google provides an incredibly easy way for me to capture all data that I care about. Getting photos and videos of my kids growing up and keeping them for years is trivial with Google. And in one little error it can all disappear with no recourse. I continue to struggle today to find a silver bullet solution for someone like me who just wants to hurl money somewhere and say, "use this money to guara…

It is not that complicated. Just pay(monthly)for a storage Box at Hetzner(just an example provider i trust) or any other provider and your Data is still there in 30 years. - https://www.hetzner.com/storage-box?country=gb

Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by rmc »

nixpulvis wrote: post #66
tomatotomato37 wrote: post #20

In another thread[1] on HN today there was discussion over developers selling out their web extensions to marketing corporations which end up filling them with tracking scripts and malware. Someone suggested that google should be much more aggressive at filtering out said extensions, and one of the responses was a sarcastic comment over a future article about Google attacking extension developers and the free web. An…

The problem isn't that an extension was removed. There will always be erroneous attempts at making things safer for users when playing the game of content moderator. The problem is that Google is impossible to talk to, and makes no effort to help when things go wrong. As a current user of gmail this worries me.

> As a current user of gmail this worries me.

Have you looked at moving off gmail?

Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by fapjacks »

some_account wrote: post #137
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This petrifies me. Google provides an incredibly easy way for me to capture all data that I care about. Getting photos and videos of my kids growing up and keeping them for years is trivial with Google. And in one little error it can all disappear with no recourse. I continue to struggle today to find a silver bullet solution for someone like me who just wants to hurl money somewhere and say, "use this money to guara…

Put it at Amazon Glacier. Cheap, replicated across multiple zones.

I use Glacier quite a lot for things like this. It is essentially free to store what most people reasonably consider "a shitload" of personal data. The cost is putting it into Glacier and then of course getting it out again. I'm not willing to bet AWS will still be around in twenty years, but it's a dirt cheap bet that won't cost me hardly anything if I lose that bet.

Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by foobarbazetc »

vageli wrote: post #74
foobarbazetc wrote: post #47

Meanwhile there’s an extension on there with our company name and logo (both trademarked) that might be stealing peoples data and Google have done nothing about it after many submissions of their trademark infringement form.

Thank goodness that Google is not a court of law and you can engage the legal system for restitution. I mean, wouldn't you want to go that route anyway given the potential damage to your brand by a third-party abusing your trademark? Would pulling the extension undo all the harm the infringement caused you?

We should spend thousands of dollars on a lawyer for a clearly fraudulent extension... because? The legal system is a waste of time and money and is where you go as a last resort.

And yes, it would. The Chrome Web Store isn’t exactly a high traffic destination. We just want to prevent the thing from stealing data since it asks for domain permissions.

Why have the form specifically for this if you’re not going to process it? Oh wait, it’s Google... never mind.

Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by nixpulvis »

rmc wrote: post #164
nixpulvis wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't that an extension was removed. There will always be erroneous attempts at making things safer for users when playing the game of content moderator. The problem is that Google is impossible to talk to, and makes no effort to help when things go wrong. As a current user of gmail this worries me.

> As a current user of gmail this worries me. Have you looked at moving off gmail?

Not much yet tbh, but it's on the list.

Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by Waterluvian »

akavel wrote: post #141
chongli wrote: post #95

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It's called Google Takeout[1]. Use it. Download all of your data. Back it up in a place you trust. [1] http://takeout.google.com

For me, the "Back it up in a place you trust" is coming back to square 1 of the parent poster's problem. I actually do have my photos on (a few) disks and computers, not on Google, and I still have the problem that I want to hurl money somewhere and say, "use this money..." I'm kinda hoping for some open-source solution to emerge based on IPFS or the like, which would let me easily control replication of my photos &…

Yes, that is the problem I'm trying to articulate. Of course you ask a ton of engineers and you get engineering solutions. =)

What I want is a holistic solution. "I have money and I have data that I want taken care of. I don't want to do much work and I don't want to think about it more than once a year or two."

Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by Godel_unicode »

jwilk wrote: post #134
Godel_unicode wrote: post #87

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Good luck with that once hsts, cert pinning, and TLS 1.3 become more common.

MiTM proxying TLS 1.3 connections works just fine. Browsers ignore cert pinning when the CA certificate was manually installed, so this is not a problem either. I have no idea what HSTS is doing on your list.

> I have no idea what HSTS is doing on your list.

https://moxie.org/software/sslstrip/

Re: Google to developers: We take down your extension because we can

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Post by jwilk »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #169
jwilk wrote: post #134

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MiTM proxying TLS 1.3 connections works just fine. Browsers ignore cert pinning when the CA certificate was manually installed, so this is not a problem either. I have no idea what HSTS is doing on your list.

> I have no idea what HSTS is doing on your list. https://moxie.org/software/sslstrip/

We're talking about voluntarily installed proxy. Why would anyone want to mount an HTTPS stripping attack against themselves?
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