This reminds of an era which we will soon see around the world. Today fighting for your privacy is not a choice, it is a need.
John Titor?
Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
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Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here.
I'm referring to the blog which is said to be the reason for all this. The blog is named "AUGSBURG für Krawalltouristen" and has the tagline "Den AfD-Bundesparteitag am 30.06./01.07.2018 angreifen!". Translated: "Augsburg for Hooligans: Attacking the AfD party conference on the 30.06/01.07.2018". "Krawalltouristen" specifically is a term that came up for the first time, I think, with the G20 protests last year. Hooli…
"Krawalltouristen" (riot-tourists) has been a term for a long time before G20. Sometimes it is applied to radical left wing antifa groups, sometime for right wing exremist groups, but more often than not to moderate groups, who achieved to mobilize lots of people for a demonstration like "Attac".
Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here.
I'm referring to the blog which is said to be the reason for all this. The blog is named "AUGSBURG für Krawalltouristen" and has the tagline "Den AfD-Bundesparteitag am 30.06./01.07.2018 angreifen!". Translated: "Augsburg for Hooligans: Attacking the AfD party conference on the 30.06/01.07.2018". "Krawalltouristen" specifically is a term that came up for the first time, I think, with the G20 protests last year. Hooli…
„Riottourism“ was used as term in english papers at the time of G20 iirc.
As for naming such Blogs, „Riot Travel Agency“ seems fitting... ;)
Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#54Is there an Electronic Frontier Foundation equivalent in Germany? If not, what stops police from conducting searches like this in future? (If this can even be shown as illegal in a court.) I doubt individuals or even small organization can properly fight legal battles.
Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
And Munich is traditionally governed by the center-left SPD. I find your attempt to inject party politics in this a diversion. Just because the state government is well to the right and turning populist, it doesn't mean that the independent judiciary is just the same.
Aha then it must be more of a german way of checking out what these left leaning privacy organizations up to
They should just send an undercover guy to pretend to be their friend like usual.. at least that's not as disruptive.
Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it is. Raids can also be at witnesses' places if it is necessary to get the evidence. Otherwise I'd simply stow the bodies in my friends' cellars.
Help me understand as I am not living in Germany: Authorities can search and seize property of any civilian without a warrant if said civilian is just a witness? If yes, then who decides and how is it decided that someone is a witness? If for example I happen to stand in front of my window and witness a crime being committed in the street, they could search my house without any consent or warrant?
>> If for example I happen to stand in front of my window and witness a crime being committed in the street,
That is probably not an instance, where a search warrant would be reasonable. But if for example you denounce someone for embezzlement, and during the investigation it comes to light that you have profited from this act of embezzlement yourself, a search warrant would be given (against you) despite of you beeing a witness.
>> they could search my house without any consent or warrant?
They do need a warrant, handed out by a judge. The idea is, that a judge gets a request for a warrant and decides if it is reasonable or not. The problem is, that the judiciary is so overwrought, that almost any judge will decide in favor of a warrant, even if its not reasonable.
I am almost certain, that this warrant would not be reasonable if a judge with time had thought about what actually happens here.
Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#57The gist of it: Someone did something probably illegal and put a @riseup mail in as the contact info. Police looked at riseup (Not-in-Germany) and found some people (In-Germany) forwarding donation money to riseup. Police and state prosecutor somehow conclude that these donations might be relevant and seizes them (and the usual bycatch). -- Now my commentary: On the face of it this seems overblown and rather out of p…
Calling for protests of a far-right conservative party's convention in Bavaria apparently is now "probably illegal" and justifies this kind of action?
Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#58A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…
They also recently passed a law that allows the police to indefinitely detain you. Also the prosecutor there has a long history of scandals accumulating on their wikipedia page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatsanwaltschaft_Augsburg
Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#59There are also a ton of websites from german nazis (I mean common folk nazis, not institutional nazis like the CSU) that use webhosting in the USA to circumvent the more restrictive free-speech in germany. Not like thats pursued of course.
Unfortunately a common sentiment in germany is that left and right extremism is equally pernicious, or even worse people tend to be more annoyed by the left burning luxury cars than they are with nazis burning refugees.
Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg
#60Ugh. That confiscated equipment... much of it that gets returned (eventually) won't be suitable for using on Tor/Tails development. There's no telling what changes will have been done to it. :(