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Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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Post by blattimwind »

throwwwafgk wrote: post #20
blattimwind wrote: post #4

The gist of it: Someone did something probably illegal and put a @riseup mail in as the contact info. Police looked at riseup (Not-in-Germany) and found some people (In-Germany) forwarding donation money to riseup. Police and state prosecutor somehow conclude that these donations might be relevant and seizes them (and the usual bycatch). -- Now my commentary: On the face of it this seems overblown and rather out of p…

Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here.

I'm referring to the blog which is said to be the reason for all this. The blog is named "AUGSBURG für Krawalltouristen" and has the tagline "Den AfD-Bundesparteitag am 30.06./01.07.2018 angreifen!". Translated: "Augsburg for Hooligans: Attacking the AfD party conference on the 30.06/01.07.2018".

"Krawalltouristen" specifically is a term that came up for the first time, I think, with the G20 protests last year. Hooligans might not be the most accurate translation; it essentially means people who travel somewhere specifically to participate in riots/vandalism/looting under a political pretence.

If you know a more fitting description for a blog like this, please do comment.

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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Post by blattimwind »

pennaMan wrote: post #8
blattimwind wrote: post #4

The gist of it: Someone did something probably illegal and put a @riseup mail in as the contact info. Police looked at riseup (Not-in-Germany) and found some people (In-Germany) forwarding donation money to riseup. Police and state prosecutor somehow conclude that these donations might be relevant and seizes them (and the usual bycatch). -- Now my commentary: On the face of it this seems overblown and rather out of p…

I'm sure, as the article says, if they search every @gmail user because of one @gmail criminal they will eventually search the criminal too. How is that a different story?

They didn't search every @gmail user, they searched what would be roughly equal to (in gmail's commercial case) a payment provider for gmail, and people loosely related to such a provider. It's a flawed comparison, obviously.

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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Post by andai »

khabaal wrote: post #27

Its especially chilling, because in germany, we dont have the food of the poisonous tree doctrine. So even if the police searches those places illegaly, if they find something else while conducting the search, lets say small amount of drugs, they will prosecute you for that.

Perhaps that was the intention here?

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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Post by reitanqild »

throwwwafgk wrote: post #20
blattimwind wrote: post #4

The gist of it: Someone did something probably illegal and put a @riseup mail in as the contact info. Police looked at riseup (Not-in-Germany) and found some people (In-Germany) forwarding donation money to riseup. Police and state prosecutor somehow conclude that these donations might be relevant and seizes them (and the usual bycatch). -- Now my commentary: On the face of it this seems overblown and rather out of p…

Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here.

> Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here.

Leftist doesn't mean liberal, peaceful etc.

It means leaning to the left, afaik that usually means towards socialism and communism.

For those who are either old enough or have read enough history there are plenty of examples of left leaning haters.

See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

Edit: added quote from parent post.

I'd also like to point out that I'm not defending the police (or anyone else) just trying to correct a misunderstanding before it spreads even further.

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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Post by blattimwind »

ckastner wrote: post #24
singularity2001 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to be more precise, police identified it as "presumed model of an atomic bomb". But the criminal offence is spot on: http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-1310464-860_poster_16x9-...

Incredible. It is obvious that they will not be able to show intent beyond reasonable doubt as to this "crime" (they even acknowledge it is just a model), proceeding regardless is just farcical. Amusingly enough, they labeled it "mutmaßliches Modell einer Atombombe" (presumptive model of an atomic bomb) with the crime being "Herbeiführen einer Sprengstoffexplosion" (causing an explosion), but the relevant norm [1] ex…

There's actually StGB § 307 specifically for nuclear explosions.

Re: Police search homes of Zwiebelfreunde board members and OpenLab in Augsburg

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Post by throwwwafgk »

blattimwind wrote: post #32
throwwwafgk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever a "leftist hateblog" (!) might be, that description doesn't seem to be fitting here.

I'm referring to the blog which is said to be the reason for all this. The blog is named "AUGSBURG für Krawalltouristen" and has the tagline "Den AfD-Bundesparteitag am 30.06./01.07.2018 angreifen!". Translated: "Augsburg for Hooligans: Attacking the AfD party conference on the 30.06/01.07.2018". "Krawalltouristen" specifically is a term that came up for the first time, I think, with the G20 protests last year. Hooli…

So the purpose of the blog is to inform about a political protest. I still think it's misleading to refer to it as hateblog, even if the organisers are militant or radical.
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