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Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many men are married and this stuff is frowned on for married men everywhere, including east asia. Also, it makes things incredibly awkward (to say the least) for professional women.

Can confirm this, some people just chose to play mobile legend(a very popular mobile game in china) with the girls to escape the awkwardness.

This fact is mentioned in the article.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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AFAIK, many foreigners [read: other Asians as well as a sprinkling of non-Asians] (as well nationals from outside a city but who do business in said city) who are married have either "second wives[1]" in these alternate city offices or they have their marriages die in said places.

It has some intriguing aspects, such as the children of the "first wife" are often seen as more legitimate. Also often the wives tolerate each other. And more[2] in this abstract.

[1] in most cases it's hetero males, ergo the wives part. I believe one of the (perh former) chiefs of Foxconn [from TW] had several "second wives".

[2]journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1097184X11412171

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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I see this as an East Asian phenomenon, I believe Koreans and Japanese do this to a certain degree as well as certain other East Asian groups. I've heard Russians do bathhouse deals as well although I could be wrong and there is also the finance sector's strip club visits with their clientele that I've heard of ( https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/it-s-clos... ). It seems so weird to see people have t…

> What advantage does it hold over normal sales?

Same reason as gangs requiring a new initiate to kill someone. If you have someone expose themselves doing something taboo and you yourself do it too, then a mutual bond is built.

The article says as much.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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I'm a foreign CTO working in Bangkok and being fully fluent in Thai showed me that it's exactly the same practice in SEA regions: Got to close a deal with a government official? They'll head to the "bathtub massage" area Huai Kwang. Need to bond with a local Business man? Deal closes there as well. Bond with male work mates? On to the bathtub place! Everyone knows it, there's jokes about it and this particular busine…

> I turned down several invites to such activities and got the usual gay jokes behind my back.

I'm surprised they didn't just invite you to a place that caters for both.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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post #9

I see this as an East Asian phenomenon, I believe Koreans and Japanese do this to a certain degree as well as certain other East Asian groups. I've heard Russians do bathhouse deals as well although I could be wrong and there is also the finance sector's strip club visits with their clientele that I've heard of ( https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/it-s-clos... ). It seems so weird to see people have t…

> I see this as an East Asian phenomenon, I see this as one of the effects of European colonialists on East Asia and South East Asian colonies. The practice of colonialist generals/warlords, typically of a naval background of using brothels as a place/culture to bond with other warlords/generals and their local puppets is the predecessor of the current "elite level" business culture observed in these former colonies.…

I'm pretty sure it's always been very normal in Thai society. The sex tourism, at least for westerners, started with the RnR stuff, as the story goes, but Huai Kwang is 98% Thai clients and probably 30X+ the size of any of the more visible Bangkok "sex tourism spots" (patpong, nana, cowboy). 97%+ of the sex being paid for in Thailand is being paid for by Thai people. The main thing that changed due to foreign influence was Thai people letting the sex workers spill into the streets instead of working more discretely.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Can we add (NSFW) for this? I know it is obvious but still.

Sounds like it is SFW at a lot a places in China and SEA.

They are talking about the article itself. You wouldn’t want to click on this at work because of the picture of the naked erotic dancer featured.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Pretty much. One of the most strange things I experience in America is the insistence that America is somehow the most sexist / racist country. Oh boy!

When the current generation of social justice from America floods its banks and arrives in Asia there is going to be an ugly reckoning.

I think the idea that many of China’s troubles (corruption / pollution / freedom reductions) are a byproduct of the extreme rapid move from poverty to wealth combined with an equally extreme arrival of wealth inequality is true. You simply can’t hit the gas pedal and accelerate 40 years into the future in one decade without creating the potential for major discontent.

But socially speaking, the era of progressivism America has experienced has not yet leaked out but it will.

American millenials think they are oppressed, they have no idea what the rest of the world finds normal. This article is a great example of how the rest of the world is currently socially caliberated compared to the USA.

The truth is that America is a paradise of social justice.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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I'm glad that East Asia is slowly, but surely, becoming less sexist over time. You can see it in Korean dramas, which are very popular across east asia and way less accepting than TV used to be of this kind of thing. The article also mentioned real pushback from the Chinese government, which is great.
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