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Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by glenneroo »

irrational wrote: post #42
kbenson wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world is filled with people that figured out things accidentally because they were doing something else. For example, the person who figured out how to heat food with microwaves (and created the first microwave) didn't set out to do so, he discovered that the chocolate bar in his front pocket melted while working on magnetrons. "Figuring something out" doesn't imply concerted research towards that goal, accidenta…

If I had a chocolate bar melt in my front pocket, I would have assumed it was my body heat.

I've had that happen before. I was gifted a Lindt chocolate bar for my birthday, put it in my back pocket of my loose-ish (not jeans) pants and by the time I got home 30 minutes later, it was completely liquified. It wasn't very warm out either, I remember it being ~10C.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by jdietrich »

kolpa wrote: post #90
jstarfish wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your bank will likely not let you in if you're wearing a hat or sunglasses. "No shoes, no shirt, no service" has also been a thing for as long as convenience stores have been around. Not that far of a stretch to think this will ultimately extend to face paint. If you want true anonymity, just wear a motorcyle helmet everywhere. We still don't know who The Stig is.

> Your bank will likely not let you in if you're wearing a hat I've never heard of this. > "No shoes, no shirt" That's health code, not appearance.

>I've never heard of this.

There's a rap record label in the UK called "No Hats No Hoods", because of the ubiquity of that sign in certain parts of London.

https://nohatsnohoods.bandcamp.com/

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by kbenson »

codetrotter wrote: post #97
newswriter99 wrote: post #75

No they didn't. "Juggalo face makeup is better at throwing off facial recognition software than intentional methods." There's your headline. God I'm so tired of intentionally-misleading headlines. Clickbait nonsense.

I agree with you. The Juggalos painted their faces but someone else discovered its effectiveness in fighting facial recognition. FTA: > According to Twitter user @tahkion, a computer science blogger for WonderHowTo, Juggalo makeup outmatches the machine learning algorithms that govern facial recognition technology.

While I think it's impossible to do with this crowd, because we've already been biased by this conversation, it would be interesting to run the phrases "Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition" and "Native Americans figured out the secret to a healthy lifestyle" (or some other positive association from a positively associated group) randomly across focus groups.

I suspect people will come out with more problems accepting "figured out" for a negatively associated group than a positively associated one, even through I think the meaning of that wording is identical in both phrases.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by kodablah »

cornholio wrote: post #85
kodablah wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Face recognition is a great example of a privacy-toxic technology thwarted by something like GDPR [...] security agencies and government are not subject to GDPR. Sounds to me like it is the opposite and implicitly condones its use by excluding those organizations. The larger the law-built divide between government rights and non-government rights becomes, the less likely any of us entrepreneurs will be able to coun…

Not sure I understand your logic. We moved from a free for all to a significantly restricted regime for personal data. There is, for the first time, a continent-wide recognition of the social value of privacy. This was achieved despite gargantuan efforts to quench it by the affected interests. And this is a bad result because it doesn't go to the politically impossible extreme? It's a foot in the door, we have a figh…

These are similar arguments the proponents of the Patriot act made, lauding the protection it provides and the great achievement in passing. Lots of people don't see this as a big enough issue for the sweeping changes that have been made, and to go from free for all to free for some scares people. We shouldn't confuse the universal right to privacy with the universal requirement for privacy. Not everyone wants the latter and it's not our role to "convince" them as though they are ignorant. Almost everyone agrees with the goals/intent of the legislation, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired as did its predecessors. They just keep doubling down instead of real pragmatic solutions such as actual enforceable statutes and education. It's so many failures on so many levels, but since it was done with the right idea it seems to get a pass.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by dkonofalski »

yathern wrote: post #5

The title of this article seems to imply that face painting was intentionally used among Juggalos to deter computerized facial recognition - of course we know that's not the case. Though to be fair, somewhere in the history of the practice, it may be argued that it was to throw off human face-recognition. This reminds me of a sort of creative look into futuristic fashion I saw a bit ago: https://cvdazzle.com Where th…

Not only that but the article implies that they "beat" facial recognition and yet the makeup in question wouldn't fool Apple's FaceID, which is probably the largest facial recognition platform in the wild, because it's not just using camera data. This might fool Facebook's matching algorithms from pictures but it's not going to ruin anyone's day from a security standpoint.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by toofy »

Legion wrote: post #49
electricslpnsld wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Stumbled into" is the discovery mode for many major scientific breakthroughs.

Sure, but this isn't a story of people who were making a concerted effort to avoid facial recognition, which the title's wording implies for a little bit of sensationalism.

> ... we’re making a concerted effort.

It’s interesting — knowing that so many major discoveries through all of history were completely accidental I didn’t read it this way at all. I actually interpreted it to mean they “stumbled upon” a way to defeat facial recognition.

It never ceases to amaze me how we can all read and infer such different meanings from text.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by toofy »

yathern wrote: post #5

The title of this article seems to imply that face painting was intentionally used among Juggalos to deter computerized facial recognition - of course we know that's not the case. Though to be fair, somewhere in the history of the practice, it may be argued that it was to throw off human face-recognition. This reminds me of a sort of creative look into futuristic fashion I saw a bit ago: https://cvdazzle.com Where th…

> The title of this article seems to imply that face painting was intentionally used among Juggalos to deter computerized facial recognition...

I find it so interesting how we all interpret text so differently.

As I said in another comment, Knowing how many discoveries throughout history were completely accidental I actually interpreted the headline to mean they “stumbled upon” a method to beat facial recognition.

Its neat how we all infer our own meanings from headlines, at least here in this community we generally assume good faith rather than jumping to assumptions that the authors are bad people.

And you’re right about the CVDazzle, the cyberpunk nerd in me desperately hopes something like this becomes a fashion trend.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by aaron_m04 »

dkonofalski wrote: post #107
yathern wrote: post #5

The title of this article seems to imply that face painting was intentionally used among Juggalos to deter computerized facial recognition - of course we know that's not the case. Though to be fair, somewhere in the history of the practice, it may be argued that it was to throw off human face-recognition. This reminds me of a sort of creative look into futuristic fashion I saw a bit ago: https://cvdazzle.com Where th…

Not only that but the article implies that they "beat" facial recognition and yet the makeup in question wouldn't fool Apple's FaceID, which is probably the largest facial recognition platform in the wild, because it's not just using camera data. This might fool Facebook's matching algorithms from pictures but it's not going to ruin anyone's day from a security standpoint.

> [...] and yet the makeup in question wouldn't fool Apple's FaceID, which is probably the largest facial recognition platform in the wild, because it's not just using camera data.

What sensors is FaceID using besides the camera?

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