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Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by swyx » Tue, Jul 03, 2018, 9:14 PM UTC

supertrope wrote: post #87

slg wrote: post #57

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The funny thing is that Reddit completely inadvertently killed one of the possible heirs in Voat. That site had potential to steal the traditional Reddit audience due to Reddit's mismanagement. However Reddit's crackdown on hate on the site caused a big exodus of problem users to Voat. The end result is that Voat is now a vile alt-right wasteland that presents no threat of stealing Reddit's mainstream audience.

That's like how some online games don't entirely ban cheat users but only match them with other cheaters, giving them a taste of their own medicine. There's a tipping point in the evolution of communities. When there are too many acting in an anti-social manner such that fun or business is impaired, people quit. If not addressed the community permanently declines. There's a term of art in philosophy called universali…

> That's like how some online games don't entirely ban cheat users but only match them with other cheaters

this sounds interesting and im not sure its common knowledge. does anyone have a source?

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by tripzilch » Tue, Jul 03, 2018, 9:38 PM UTC

amake wrote: post #85

minimaxir wrote: post #72

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If you are on iOS, I recommend scheduling Do Not Disturb at night.

Android also has very flexible Do Not Disturb settings.

Hey xiphias (sibling comment), I can't reply to you directly since your comment shows as [dead]. It seems you've been hellbanned for more than three months, and nothing in your recent comment history suggests any bad behaviour.

If you happen to read this, I suggest you email the HN mods and demand them to tell you why they have been tricking you to waste your time writing perfectly good comments that they have set to be invisible to a large portion of the userbase, for more than three months.

FFS I can't believe they're still doing this hellbanning shit on HN. Just set an account to "scream into the void indefinitely" and forget about it. The admins are otherwise quite reasonable so I can't fathom how they're actually okay with this.

FWIW, I clicked "vouch". AFAIK this sends a message to the admins to reconsider the hellban. But now I wonder what it actually does, cause I can't imagine nobody but me clicked that for all of three months.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by supertrope » Tue, Jul 03, 2018, 10:27 PM UTC

swyx wrote: post #241

supertrope wrote: post #87

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That's like how some online games don't entirely ban cheat users but only match them with other cheaters, giving them a taste of their own medicine. There's a tipping point in the evolution of communities. When there are too many acting in an anti-social manner such that fun or business is impaired, people quit. If not addressed the community permanently declines. There's a term of art in philosophy called universali…

> That's like how some online games don't entirely ban cheat users but only match them with other cheaters this sounds interesting and im not sure its common knowledge. does anyone have a source?

Steam games using VAC do not fully ban cheaters. They can still play on non-VAC servers. Of course, those tend to be scarce because no one wants to uncheck that feature when creating a server.

Xbox Live: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/microsoft-explains-xb... I've never owned an Xbox so I don't know how effective it was.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by dredmorbius » Tue, Jul 03, 2018, 11:55 PM UTC

isostatic wrote: post #166

abandonliberty wrote: post #164

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Unless you actually manage to affect the behavior of other people by highlighting what Reddit is doing. However, often people complain and do nothing, or complain and keep buying the company's product. (e.g. games with microtransactions)

How do other people using games with microtransactions, or using reddit, or watching TV with adverts, harm me?

Among other things: they tend to dry up the options for other forms of content provision (or creator payment), such that they're the only game in town.

It's a Gresham's Law dynamic that's been observed at least as far back as the 1950s, see Dwight McDonald, "A Theory of Mass Culture", H.L. Mencken, "Bayard v. Lionheart", or Ben Bagdikian's The Media Monopoly.

There's also the wee slight problem that subversion of mass media by populist, demagogic, and/or fascist political movements is a distinct historical trend. See Marshall McLuhan, The Gutenberg Galaxy, Elizabeth Eisenstein, The Printing Press as an Agent of Change, or much of Hannah Arendt's work. This theme is also hit on by MacDonald, below.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2008/ESB032/um/5136660/MacDon...

https://amomai.blogspot.com/2008/10/hl-mencken-bayard-vs-lio...

https://www.worldcat.org/title/media-monopoly/oclc/249189781...

https://www.worldcat.org/title/gutenberg-galaxy-the-making-o...

https://www.worldcat.org/title/printing-press-as-an-agent-of...

http://www.openculture.com/2017/01/hannah-arendt-explains-ho...

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by randycupertino » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 6:50 AM UTC

craftyguy wrote: post #240

rnet85 wrote: post #234

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I interviewed there. It is not as dark as you put it. They admit they have certain problems with how they display ads, and how they draw in more people. They're acutely aware that they've yet to figure out a mature way to monetize the site without irritating the users. These are trials. Different teams come up different ideas and they want to try them out and see if it works out. Their CEO is very aware of criticisms…

> I interviewed there. It's not really unheard of for an employer to paint a rosy picture for prospective employees...

So true. imo you generally don't become fully aware of the dark side of how the sausage is made at most jobs until at least 6-months in.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by randycupertino » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 6:55 AM UTC

kirubakaran wrote: post #10

I'm thankful for their new design, actually. After many years of trying, I have now managed to successfully kick my Reddit habit completely and have gained precious hours in my day.

Hi Kirubakaran,

I don't know if you'll see this comment because the thread is off the front page, but I came back to thank you. Your comment set off a lightbulb in my head and really helped me make a positive change to my life. I'd been wallowing in a major (3+ hours a night) reddit addiction and my productivity was way, way down and I wasn't accomplishing stuff I wanted to do (learn another language, work out, clean the house...) because of it. I also HATE the redesign (so ugly, so spaced out, way less "sticky" to me as a user because what I really love about reddit is the discussion subreddits and the conversations. I'd always been turning the "new reddit" off and using old reddit view. When I saw your comment above, it was like an epiphany. A-ha! Just leave the ugly terrible redesign activated on all the time!!

I am so thankful I saw that- I changed all my reddits to the new design and successfully accomplished a ton of stuff I'd been procrastinating on over the last few weeks.

Cheers and thanks so much for the great idea.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by Aissen » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 7:01 AM UTC

This could be solved with an addon. This dark pattern is here to stay it seems. Of course, this would require using a mobile browser that supports addons, which means Firefox for Android.

In the old days, it would have been a two lines userscripts, but since Greasemonkey was abandoned, there's no good alternative to do a portable (maybe webext-based) addon.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by randycupertino » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 7:02 AM UTC

mimimihaha wrote: post #83

superkuh wrote: post #20

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Same here, although I left because of the massive increase in censorship and gentrification right before the big redesign.

I actually switched to Hackernews and forced myself to read at least two paragraphs of any article before I read the comments. I’ve learned so much more from this website and wasted so much less time. I’ve went from several hours a day on reddit to about 30 minutes on HN on various times on the toilet everyday.

Yes- I recently realized I was wasting several hours of my life per week on Reddit. This new redesign helped me kick that habbit. Hurrah- time to get in shape and learn Polish!!

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by vanderZwan » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 7:56 AM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #225

pjc50 wrote: post #182

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Yeah, the operating assuptions of client side rendering seem to be that server-side CPU is expensive while network bandwidth and latency are cheap and the client has a fast CPU which it isn't using. I do wonder how it ever took off.

You don't pay a dime for the amount of client's CPU you use

Depends on whether it makes the site unusable, because that will make you lose customers

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by vanderZwan » Wed, Jul 04, 2018, 8:00 AM UTC

go1dfish wrote: post #119

ajross wrote: post #39

At this point I'm genuinely wondering if they're about to Digg themselves into a amusingly-recursive grave. All it would take is one great, open forum site to absorb the refugees from a terrible management mistep, and they're toast. Just like Digg.

> All it would take is one great, open forum site to absorb the refugees from a terrible management mistep This is the goal of https://notabug.io it's a p2p fork of reddit based on GUNdb. Still very early; but my hope is that there will be enough interest in lifeboats that people will be interested in helping to construct one.

    notabug is a p2p link aggregator app that is:
    
        distributed: peers backup/serve content
        anonymous: but don't trust it to be
        immutable: edits are not supported
        votes are PoW *voting is CPU heavy*

Hmm, I don't think that's going to scale well