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Lyft and Uber Won’t Be Happy Until They’re Your One-Stop Transit Guide

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Re: Lyft and Uber Won’t Be Happy Until They’re Your One-Stop Transit Guide

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If I could book a trip through Uber that was

Walk 5 min to BART Station --> Ride to Montgomery Station --> Catch a timed transfer via Uber Pool to work

with all of the details figured out at the time of booking, I'd consider replacing the last leg of my journey with Uber rather than waiting for a MUNI bus or train like I currently do. The draw for me would be in the convenience of solving the variables of my commute for me.

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I get the pitch. Customer wishes to go from A to B. Ride-sharing app will plan the trip and charge for each leg, because they own them all. Personally, I don't think it's ever going to work that way, at least not on a single locked-in platform, and I think this is all hot air, fed by hot quantitative-easing cash.

Can't you see the dream of automated synchronized carpool pickups from metro train stations? I don't think uber will ever make it's own metro lines, but I can really see how it could be made to work well together.

Yeah, I think it's more likely to work like there's some psuedo-integration and more standard data-sharing between Uber/Lyft and transport hub owners. An added check-box to schedule an Uber or Lyft when you're purchasing your train/plane ticket, with U/L paying a percentage of each ride to the rail company/airport. That also allows U/L to better predict how many vehicles they would need to have on standby for arriving passengers, even being able to update on the fly as they receive info on delays and routing changes. I doubt they're at all interested in owning a airline.

Re: Lyft and Uber Won’t Be Happy Until They’re Your One-Stop Transit Guide

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The response time requirement could create an interesting tension between ADA proponents and environmental advocates. That is, if Uber/Lyft need to have vehicles that are 2 minutes away for passengers with motorized scooters/chairs whenever they have vehicles that are 2 minutes away for ambulatory passengers, this will require having many larger vehicles. These vehicles pollute more (and if they're EVs some day, they…

ADA already forces decisions to be made contrary to environmental concerns. Added construction being a key one. IMO, ADA is a great example of overbearing government regulation. It doesn't leave much room for "reasonable" accommodations and dictates solutions. (Case in point, my condo building can't use a portion of trash rooms as recycle storage, which gives large environmental benefits, because of wheelchair access…

Many people with disabilities who actually rely on protections afforded under the ADA would disagree with you. The ADA actually requires employers and other public places to make reasonable accommodations: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/employee-...

Regarding your condo building: separate is never equal. Requiring people with disabilities to only live on certain floors is discriminatory. Disability is perhaps the only minority that anyone can enter into at any time, through no action of their own. You can't say that you don't need to worry about accessibility of floors where there are no wheelchair users, because you can't predict who could need one in the future, when or why they will need one.

Re: Lyft and Uber Won’t Be Happy Until They’re Your One-Stop Transit Guide

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Both offer wheelchair accessible cars. I'm not sure what the formal ADA rule should be on them, but offering these services seems to work out for everyone.

Negative. I'm physically disabled and not in one of their ~3 select cities (still a large city, mind you; ATL is hardly small) with that additional 'service' and the friction to get a workable vehicle is next to impossible. Of course, it's obvious that's working as intended - providing disability services is often treated by businesses as nothing but a cost center. Never-mind the fact that the elderly would be the pe…

I've tried to request WAVs in various cities around the world (SF, NYC, LA, London, Portland, Paris etc) on both Lyft and Uber and the results are depressing. Overwhelmingly, if there are any WAVs available, they are only in cities where local ordinance requires them, and even then there are usually only a handful in the city. Wait times can be long at times.

I think the only place in the US where the experience was remotely good was New York, but even then wait times were closer to 20 minutes instead of 2 minutes as they would be for able-bodied people.

The only other thing I can say about this is that Uber/Lyft drivers are required to store a foldable wheelchair upon request. And unlike taxi drivers, they can't just drive by you when they see your chair. In that respect, the experience is better. But there are too many situations when a foldable wheelchair is not possible/desirable, and a true WAV is required.

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ADA already forces decisions to be made contrary to environmental concerns. Added construction being a key one. IMO, ADA is a great example of overbearing government regulation. It doesn't leave much room for "reasonable" accommodations and dictates solutions. (Case in point, my condo building can't use a portion of trash rooms as recycle storage, which gives large environmental benefits, because of wheelchair access…

Many people with disabilities who actually rely on protections afforded under the ADA would disagree with you. The ADA actually requires employers and other public places to make reasonable accommodations: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/employee-... Regarding your condo building: separate is never equal. Requiring people with disabilities to only live on certain floors is discriminatory. Disabilit…

It is perfectly acceptable for an apartment building to have accessible and non accessible units. The ADA isn’t that crazy, which is why wheel chair bars are probably not in your bathroom.

Re: Lyft and Uber Won’t Be Happy Until They’re Your One-Stop Transit Guide

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people with disabilities who actually rely on protections afforded under the ADA would disagree with you. The ADA actually requires employers and other public places to make reasonable accommodations: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/employee-... Regarding your condo building: separate is never equal. Requiring people with disabilities to only live on certain floors is discriminatory. Disabilit…

It is perfectly acceptable for an apartment building to have accessible and non accessible units. The ADA isn’t that crazy, which is why wheel chair bars are probably not in your bathroom.

I'm not disagreeing with you there, the term "accessible" has a wide range. But it would be inappropriate for a building to have some units with e.g. steps and some without. I'm not sure what you been by wheelchair bars, but if you mean handle bars my building accommodates those through a reasonable accommodation request although I have lived in buildings before which had them in every unit.

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post #87

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It is perfectly acceptable for an apartment building to have accessible and non accessible units. The ADA isn’t that crazy, which is why wheel chair bars are probably not in your bathroom.

I'm not disagreeing with you there, the term "accessible" has a wide range. But it would be inappropriate for a building to have some units with e.g. steps and some without. I'm not sure what you been by wheelchair bars, but if you mean handle bars my building accommodates those through a reasonable accommodation request although I have lived in buildings before which had them in every unit.

It would be completely appropriate, and in fact that’s what happens. We had to turn down a nice one bedroom in a new downtown Bellevue building because it was a split level with a walk down (and we have a toddler so....). Most of the units were not like that, and this one was cheaper as a result.

Re: Lyft and Uber Won’t Be Happy Until They’re Your One-Stop Transit Guide

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I wonder how Lyft and Uber have avoided ADA requirements.

Lyft is an order of magnitude worse at providing wheelchair accessible vehicles than Uber:

"Uber located a WAV in 27 of 49 different attempts (a 55% “success” rate). Lyft Access Mode located a WAV for only 3 of 65 attempts (a 5% “success” rate) rendering the app non-functional for wheelchair users."

http://www.nylpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Left-Behind-...

Re: Lyft and Uber Won’t Be Happy Until They’re Your One-Stop Transit Guide

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uber and lyft deserve it. I use lyft multiple times/week.

>>> Why so negative. I like how Europeans/Chinese/Everyone stands behind their companies and expect them to succeed globally. USA on other hand is bent on destroying/defaming their own. > uber and lyft deserve it. I use lyft multiple times/week. I don't. Why do you think I should stand behind them, and overlook their ethical lapses, because I'm an American?

What are ethical lapses against lyft? I googled it and found something about spying.
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