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The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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Hahahahahahaha. Cars have some of the worst designed human interfaces known to man. In fact, virtually no designer of products (physical or virtual) cares anymore for their UX. It's sad, but in the mad rush to produce more and more, we've forgotten how to improve what we already have.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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post #54

This is exactly why I dislike the new MBP touch bar. I spend much of my working day in IntelliJ, debugging Scala code. I so badly want to rest my fingers on the function keys while I step in/out/over code, just as I used to in Visual Studio debugging C# and C++. I recently tried the native touch bar support in the Early Access version of IntelliJ and it was really not any better. It's no fault of Jetbrains either, I…

Why did you buy it then? I think that all the marketing of "touchscreen: oooh shiny!" is working, and there is very little we can do about bad interfaces unless we vote with our feet.

Is there any other non Mac trackpad which just works. Once you use a Mac trackpad, its hard going back to something else.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

#63

This is why I will never own a Tesla Model 3. If I can't adjust the air conditioning while looking at the road, I don't want it.

... or about a million other cars, sadly.

I'm tentatively looking for a new car and it looks like i'm locked out of most of the nice things because of idiotic touch screen controls.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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post #10

On my old car I could both read and write any value to the car without looking at the controls. That's important -- if I was feeling cold, but the temperature was set to where I wanted it, I'd turn on the seat warmer, as I knew I'd need to feel warmer only temporarily. Now I have to look at the controls all the damn time. One important thing was that all of the controls were asymmetric -- the buttons were all differe…

Was it a SAAB? Pre-GM they had amazing cockpits, well laid-out and as easy to use at night as day.

I often wonder how much the environment the designers have to live in affect their designs.

With the nordics being very dark and cold for half a year or more, being able to operate the vehicle in limited visibility would be paramount.

Similarly, operating a capacitive touchscreen is not fun in -20C or colder.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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post #52

This is why I will never own a Tesla Model 3. If I can't adjust the air conditioning while looking at the road, I don't want it.

You can set auto-climate control and will be able to change climate with voice in the future: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/952750646406426624?s=21

They're solving a problem they introduced themselves eh?

Voice command: shout at car to make it cooler. Car doesn't understand. Shout at car to turn off radio so your voice command is clearer. Car doesn't understand. Take eyes off road to turn off the damn radio with the touch screen. Crash!

The button interfaces actually work 100% of the time. Voice command... lol...

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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post #54

This is exactly why I dislike the new MBP touch bar. I spend much of my working day in IntelliJ, debugging Scala code. I so badly want to rest my fingers on the function keys while I step in/out/over code, just as I used to in Visual Studio debugging C# and C++. I recently tried the native touch bar support in the Early Access version of IntelliJ and it was really not any better. It's no fault of Jetbrains either, I…

Why did you buy it then? I think that all the marketing of "touchscreen: oooh shiny!" is working, and there is very little we can do about bad interfaces unless we vote with our feet.

If one happens to need a new Macbook Pro at the moment, Apple haven't left a lot of options which don't have a Touchbar and a terrible keyboard. One can choose to delay an upgrade in many cases, but it's rather harder to choose to delay replacing a broken machine.

It's a shame because at one point the Macbook Pro was a machine almost without flaw.

And no, for some people getting a Windows or Linux machine simply isn't an option without a level of investment in new software that simply can't be justified. Apple have people over a barrel. All that vertical integration has led to some of the best computers ever made, but it also gets you in trouble when your chosen walled garden gets burned down.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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post #62
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you buy it then? I think that all the marketing of "touchscreen: oooh shiny!" is working, and there is very little we can do about bad interfaces unless we vote with our feet.

Is there any other non Mac trackpad which just works. Once you use a Mac trackpad, its hard going back to something else.

Surface trackpads are pretty good (generally, anything with a large area that uses Precision Touchpad instead of Synaptics or other OEM junk is decent).

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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The latest fad in luxury cars are switches that are actually touchscreens that look like physical switches, sometimes complete with haptic feedback.

Let the sheer stupidity of that sink in for a while...

Meanwhile in my old Mitsubishi switches rarely break, and if they do it'll cost a couple of dollar to replace it.

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

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post #52

This is why I will never own a Tesla Model 3. If I can't adjust the air conditioning while looking at the road, I don't want it.

You can set auto-climate control and will be able to change climate with voice in the future: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/952750646406426624?s=21

Give me a voice interface that works 100% of the time (not 99% of the time, not even 99.9% of the time) and I'm sold. Otherwise I'll continue to prefer a knob that "just works".

Re: The Hidden Cost of Touchscreens

#70
The new interfaces out of Garmin avionics are all touch screen based. They did wise up and add a knob and reference bumps around the screen. Still, scary to think I'd be looking at a screen when landing a plane outside of IFR flights.
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