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Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by lmm »

s-shellfish wrote: post #75
TheCoelacanth wrote: post #68

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I think attributing the difference between HN and Reddit to design choices is inaccurate. The biggest difference is that HN has only a tiny fraction of the number of users that Reddit does. HN feels pretty similar to the way Reddit felt ten years ago when it was much less popular.

Eh, HN feels the same way HN felt ten years ago. I don't have the same feelings about Reddit. The only difference to me is there's actually some subtle sort of connection I feel here, that goes deeper than the number of upvotes. Maybe I'm selecting my own bubble to exist in, but here I feel like I can at least have doubt over that. Design choices, hacker philosophy, actual usage demonstrated practically - that all li…

> HN feels the same way HN felt ten years ago.

Not my experience at all. In fact if anything I'd say HN today feels the way Reddit felt ten years ago.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by pjc50 »

underwater wrote: post #11
colanderman wrote: post #7

I'm surprised that's their only problem with the mobile site. I purposely do not follow Reddit links because they show me a spinner for 7 seconds before showing the text of self posts. I can only assume that this delay to show a kilobyte of text is purposeful and meant to further steer users to the app, and not simply gross engineering incompetence, since the desktop site loads instantly. (Though, thank you to the OP…

Ironically the mobile site is a full single page app, while the desktop site (or at least the old one) was mostly server rendered. It's not impossible to create a fast mobile client rendered site (Twitter have done well) but it's certainly not as easy as it is with plain old HTML.

Yeah, the operating assuptions of client side rendering seem to be that server-side CPU is expensive while network bandwidth and latency are cheap and the client has a fast CPU which it isn't using. I do wonder how it ever took off.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by baby »

ajross wrote: post #39

At this point I'm genuinely wondering if they're about to Digg themselves into a amusingly-recursive grave. All it would take is one great, open forum site to absorb the refugees from a terrible management mistep, and they're toast. Just like Digg.

I was telling friends not so long ago that Reddit would NEVER redesign their webpage because of ehat happened to Digg. Then BOOM the redesign happened. Oh boy was I wrong.

HN did introduce a minifier [-] in the wrong side of the comments, but at least the rest is pretty much the same.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by moviuro »

justinclift wrote: post #179
iamdave wrote: post #120

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I've come to loathe this about social networking sites. Twitter (which I use for sports buffoonery and hot takes from the community) is the absolute worst about this. "Hey your friend did a thing, go congratulate them" "Hey, a friend knows this person. Go follow them too" "Hey, your friend just posted a picture of spaghetti, go signal your approval" Hey. How about I check in and interact with my friends on my time in…

Yeah, I deleted my Twitter account a while ago when they started to put random crap into my "Notifications", and it couldn't be turned off. Keeping on using a service like that just encourages further bad behaviour.

FWIW, that stuff doesn't appear in Notifications on https://tweetdeck.twitter.com (on PC - never tried mobile for Twitter)

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by LoSboccacc »

petters wrote: post #127
minimaxir wrote: post #72

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If you are on iOS, I recommend scheduling Do Not Disturb at night.

I agree this is great and I use it on Android, but it is not a good solution to the spammy notification problem. Apps get one chance. One instance of spam and they are banned from ever notifying again.

> Apps get one chance.

I go even stricter. Unless it’s a messaging app it goes silent straight off.

That said apple notification center is doing a bad job at exposing app setting. I’ve forgot some app at vibrate only and it’s just too much hassle to go find it so every now and then the phone vibrates and I’ve no clue why.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by danielbarla »

twhb wrote: post #162

I see threads like this all the time, and they don't make sense. Reddit is an ad company. It's not an effort to build you a nice website, it's a machine for taking your time and attention from you then selling it. Asking Reddit to "please stop" grabbing at better attention hooks is like asking McDonald's to "please stop" raising prices. The right way to say this is timeless: refuse to make the trade. If Reddit goes t…

> Asking Reddit to "please stop" grabbing at better attention hooks is like asking McDonald's to "please stop" raising prices.

It's more like asking McDonald's to stop trying to sell / serve me a worse product that I didn't order, halfway through my order. And despite them knowing who I am, repeating this question every time. "Hi, I'd like two McMea- WOULD YOU LIKE A SALAD INSTEAD??"

If they are not making sufficient money on one of their products they should pull it, not try to irritate people into choosing something else.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by justinclift »

moviuro wrote: post #184
justinclift wrote: post #179

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Yeah, I deleted my Twitter account a while ago when they started to put random crap into my "Notifications", and it couldn't be turned off. Keeping on using a service like that just encourages further bad behaviour.

FWIW, that stuff doesn't appear in Notifications on https://tweetdeck.twitter.com (on PC - never tried mobile for Twitter)

Thanks. I didn't really use Twitter personally much any way.

I do somewhat need to use it as a way to communicate with users for an OSS project (eg not a personal account), but that's still limited to maybe once a day at most. Not worth installing a client program for that.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by pjc50 »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #95
shakna wrote: post #67

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The poster. > You retain the rights to your copyrighted content or information that you submit to reddit ("user content") except as described below. > By submitting user content to reddit, you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, perform, or publicly display your user content in any medium and for any…

Could build a system, that mirrors/pulls/aggregates all posts from reddit because anyone can pull those and use them via their api, and once a person 'connects' their account from reddit, it could import/transfer all comments over...for that one user... the key would be seemly duplicating all reddit, and moving their traffic to the federated version. How does archive.org get away w/ archiving reddit pages and content…

The archival isn't the most interesting or useful part of it. It's the new posts.

For a while during the LJ/Dreamwidth transition there were people using apps to post on both, and Dreamwidth even let you follow arbitary RSS feeds so you could include reading public LJ through it. It still took a long time to transition most communities, until the Russian buyout and change of policies.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by moviuro »

justinclift wrote: post #187
moviuro wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, that stuff doesn't appear in Notifications on https://tweetdeck.twitter.com (on PC - never tried mobile for Twitter)

Thanks. I didn't really use Twitter personally much any way. I do somewhat need to use it as a way to communicate with users for an OSS project (eg not a personal account), but that's still limited to maybe once a day at most. Not worth installing a client program for that.

It's just a webapp, like twitter.com . Only, it has support for columns, lists, etc. built-in.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Post by zerostar07 »

Haydos585x2 wrote: post #146
daveheq wrote: post #136

Too many mobile sites do this now; there's a reason I keep declining to use the app... BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO. The reason is irrelevant, and they don't ask for it anyways. They just keep badgering and badgering and badgering to try to figure out WHO YOU ARE and tag your phone info/MEID across the internet... Do you really think they can't connect that info? LinkedIn is the worst example because they represent profes…

I hate it when it's something like Facebook, Twitter or Reddit asking me repeatedly to download their app but even worst is when it's some random website I'm visiting once! No, I don't want your app, random one-off recipe site!

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