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Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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If all governments do that, it will instantly raise humanity’s iq and eq up a notch and help govt get money too.

Social media has destroyed humanity. Turned everyone into attention deficit zombies.

Honestly, all censorship and free speech ideas aside, I wonder if a small socia media tax could be net positive on American society? Especially in terms of relieving diminished attention spans, etc.

I have decreased my own personal usage by adding a "time tax" — I always log out after a brief session on Twitter/Facebook/etc. I also use 2FA everywhere so there's extra friction in logging back in. That extra 30 seconds of effort can be enough to say "nah, I don't need to check Twitter twice today".

Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media has destroyed humanity. Turned everyone into attention deficit zombies.

Honestly, all censorship and free speech ideas aside, I wonder if a small socia media tax could be net positive on American society? Especially in terms of relieving diminished attention spans, etc. I have decreased my own personal usage by adding a "time tax" — I always log out after a brief session on Twitter/Facebook/etc. I also use 2FA everywhere so there's extra friction in logging back in. That extra 30 seconds…

You can use things productively, or you can use things unproductively. This includes social media and Twitter. I have spent some time cleaning out so the only people I follow on Twitter post extremely valuable content. I block with extreme prejudice and will unfollow if they stop posting useful info.

Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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To bring it back to the anglosphere, I predict mass anger towards the hobbling of social media companies by Western governments if it occurs. We have all these conversations amongst ourselves about the evils of these communication facilitating companies, often with good reason. But we should be cognizant that only the squeaky wheels are squeaking and the general public is happy with their communication platforms. Take the elitist approach of telling them what's good for them and affect their uses and the tides will turn. Not in mass media or on sites like this one, but groundswells of annoyed yet still mostly silent masses will make conscious decisions where they can and elitists will not understand what happened.

Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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Depending on how they did this, this could be an interesting experiment on the possibility of kerbing people's "screen" addiction. At least it looks like they are whitelisting some "social value add" sites, but taxing other less necessary sites.

If let's say they allowed X-time free after which you had to pay this tax and that climbed such that it served as a deterrent against too much unproductive screen time, it might provide some data for some behavioralists to study and reach some conclusions which are lacking.

Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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Wouldn’t it be easier for the government to tax the ISPs and data providers the 202 shillings and let that cost be passed on to the consumer?

Great question! It depends what the goal of the tax is. Is the goal of the tax to raise revenue or to give the state more visibility on how its subjects use social media?

If the objective is in fact the latter objective of gaining information, having a small direct tax might be sufficient to cover the costs of setting up a new bureaucracy to more closely monitor the online activities of subjects.

In some sense, such a tax would essentially serve the same purpose as the global tax on wealth suggested by Thomas Piketty at the end of "Capital in the 21st Century". Piketty suggested that initially, some countries could decree a very low tax on wealth -- I forget the exact number, but let's say it's a 0.01% annual tax on wealth. This would require setting up all of the bureaucratic apparatus to measure and tax wealth, which as a side effect would produce a huge volume of new information that researchers, policy-makers and regulators could use as inputs to make more informed decisions about future taxation policy or controls for offshore tax evasion, etc.

See also James C. Scott's book "Seeing Like a State".

Of course, another objective might not be to monitor people but instead simply make it more irritating for subjects to use social media, by requiring them to first get permission from a government bureaucracy. This would discourage people from using mainstream social media and push them into something else (smaller niche services, encrypted chat, coup-d'etat, ...)

Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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post #15

Depending on how they did this, this could be an interesting experiment on the possibility of kerbing people's "screen" addiction. At least it looks like they are whitelisting some "social value add" sites, but taxing other less necessary sites. If let's say they allowed X-time free after which you had to pay this tax and that climbed such that it served as a deterrent against too much unproductive screen time, it mi…

> reach some conclusions which are lacking.

This is strong premise. I don't think we need more data when you have studies that show that social media as the same effect as cocaine. We specially don't need another tax.

Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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post #15

Depending on how they did this, this could be an interesting experiment on the possibility of kerbing people's "screen" addiction. At least it looks like they are whitelisting some "social value add" sites, but taxing other less necessary sites. If let's say they allowed X-time free after which you had to pay this tax and that climbed such that it served as a deterrent against too much unproductive screen time, it mi…

> reach some conclusions which are lacking. This is strong premise. I don't think we need more data when you have studies that show that social media as the same effect as cocaine. We specially don't need another tax.

If aspects of it have the same addictive effects as cocaine, why not tax it like other vices but in this case use the revenue to address the problems which surface.

I’m saying if they are going to do this, let’s do it again n a fashion such that we might glean useful information which could benefit all users.

Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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Wouldn’t it be easier for the government to tax the ISPs and data providers the 202 shillings and let that cost be passed on to the consumer?

(Ugandan)

I think it’s legal gymnastics. Firstly, this “tax” is officially excise duty on OTT services. Data & voice already attract (heavy) excise duty. So if they tacked it onto your phone bill, it would walk and quack like a hike in excise duty on data and voice plans.

Second issue - what if I don’t use any OTT services? But the phone company wants to just add 202/- per day to my bill? (That’s the route a few ISPs have gone down. Waiting for them to be challenged)

There are a few other issues, but those are my main suspicions.

Re: Uproar as Uganda telecom companies implement mobile money, social media taxes

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I wonder what is more taxing - (A) Government's social media tax or (B) One's daily time spent on these social media platforms

For me it is definitely (B). I keep off Facebook but once in a while I get into it because an email appears "XYZ posted a new photo". Tempted to see the photo, I logon to Facebook and then I lose control - I surf through the endless news feed clicking those click bait headlines and funny videos. And an hour or more just flies by. Just like that I lost my time and some of my energy. Fortunately I am able to resist the temptation to comment on FB stuff.

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