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Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Re: Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Post by dilap »

Here's another, more critical take on the plan:

https://quillette.com/2018/06/27/bill-de-blasios-plan-to-pur...

I think it's terrible. It's robbing poor kids of a rare opportunity to get a first-rate education, to make elites feel better about themselves.

If you insist that the racial demographics of the schools match those of the city, a much better way to do it is to keep the admissions test, but simply take the top N% w/in each racial bucket, rather than globally.

Otherwise, if you get rid of the test completely and pulling evenly from every school, you are guaranteed (1) you will not create an environment w/ the truly elite (2) you are replacing standardized tests, which are fair, with the whole teacher-grading-system, which is wildly inconsistent and generally a better measure of who behaves and who sucks up than who is academically worthy.

Re: Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Post by ouid »

zeth___ wrote: post #5

This is an very good example of why 'people of color' is red herring no one believes. Asians, both yellow and brown, are out performing whites. Blacks are under performing everyone and 'latinos' are doing either ok or pretty badly, depending on if you split them according to skin color. The issue in America has been and still is why are blacks doing so poorly? Dressing it up as anything else does no one any favors.

you're not normalizing for enough, and you know it.

Re: Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Post by cm2012 »

mabbo wrote: post #8

Call me crazy, but what if you just funded all public schools sufficiently that the advantage of going to the "good" school was lessened? Is that too socialist?

The good high schools in this article aren't good because of funding. They're good because they only let in the top 1% of kids.

Re: Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Post by Reactionary_ »

mabbo wrote: post #8

Call me crazy, but what if you just funded all public schools sufficiently that the advantage of going to the "good" school was lessened? Is that too socialist?

Because it has nothing to do with the funding and everything to do with who is a student there.

Re: Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Post by [deleted] »

mrchicity wrote: post #9
guard0g wrote: post #2

First Stuy, then UofC goes test-optional, and now CMU eliminating demonstrated interest in their application process...the race to mediocrity.

It was wrong decades ago when the Ivy League had a soft cap on the number of Jewish students admitted, and it's wrong now when schools effectively do the same for Asians. They can nudge-nudge-wink-wink "Holistic approach" all they like, but when the data show an Asian student needs 120 more SAT points to get in, it's hard to see anything other than racial bias or de facto quotas. I don't say this out of self-interest…

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Re: Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Post by commandlinefan »

ouid wrote: post #12
zeth___ wrote: post #5

This is an very good example of why 'people of color' is red herring no one believes. Asians, both yellow and brown, are out performing whites. Blacks are under performing everyone and 'latinos' are doing either ok or pretty badly, depending on if you split them according to skin color. The issue in America has been and still is why are blacks doing so poorly? Dressing it up as anything else does no one any favors.

you're not normalizing for enough, and you know it.

Maybe he does, but I don’t... what do you mean, “normalizing for enough?”

Re: Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Post by gedy »

cm2012 wrote: post #13
mabbo wrote: post #8

Call me crazy, but what if you just funded all public schools sufficiently that the advantage of going to the "good" school was lessened? Is that too socialist?

The good high schools in this article aren't good because of funding. They're good because they only let in the top 1% of kids.

Public charter schools (at least around me) receive much less funding, and yet have better facilities, test scores, etc for this same reason.

Re: Why Asian-Americans feel powerless in New York’s elite high schools

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Post by ericdykstra »

The entire doctrine of Disparate Impact, and Affirmative Action which is borne from it, is one of the most illiberal policies in America. I really hope a constitutionalist Supreme Court can reverse this madness.

On Affirmative Action in specific, here's a great interview from Sowell about the unintended consequences that arise from the awful policy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvnTByzTmA

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