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How a Hacker Proved Cops Used a Stingray to Find Him

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Re: How a Hacker Proved Cops Used a Stingray to Find Him

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I'd love to read a source that describes this in more detail. Assuming such an exploit exists, I don't think I'd be targeted with it. It's my understanding three letter agencies tend to hoard that sort of thing, not blast them at random privacy aficionados.

Look up "Broadpwn" for an attack on Broadcom's BCM43xx radios.

Thanks, this is exactly the kind of thing I want to read up on!

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IMHO, it's less about privacy being impossible, and more about privacy being difficult and expensive.

I don't dispute that it's difficult. But expensive? How so?

Any decent VPN service has a monthly cost. That isn't trivial for everyone.

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> Furthermore, they allegedly already had his ip, so why bother with a stingray? They could simply tell his cell carrier to provide them with all his location data Remember that getting subscriber data/metadata from ISPs requires a warrant, and that a single tower location could cover a 6-12 sq. km. area (plenty of space to hide in)

Can’t they use the towers to triangulate the exact position? So that area should be rather small. Furthermore, if they already had the IP of the offender, getting a search warrant should not be the problem at all. This tells me there is more to this story.

Keep in mind this was 10 years ago. Phone triangulation was much less accurate then.

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Something doesn’t seem to add up. First of all the story fails to mention that those devices do not only track the target, they track and record all phones in its range, which is a massive breach of privacy and the real issue with those devices. Furthermore, they allegedly already had his ip, so why bother with a stingray? They could simply tell his cell carrier to provide them with all his location data (as well as…

I don't know about Verizon, but all the cellphone carriers I know have carrier-grade NAT set up. That would mean the public IP they have would correspond with many customers with different private IPs. The article says Verizon matched the IP address with a particular AirCard, but maybe that was an oversimplification in the article.

My guess is that Verizon matched the IMEI of the AirCard used on a particular IP address at a particular moment in time. Then the feds only had to scan for that IMEI within the geographic area provided by Verizon.

Re: How a Hacker Proved Cops Used a Stingray to Find Him

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Nit-picking a bit/kind of augmenting your train of thought. You can have non-interactive Diffie-Helman key exchange (via a PKI). As you say, the client would need to know prior to that the public key/have access to the certificate and that would require certainly revamping the DNS approach we now have (even if we did not use DNS, we would still have to deal with DNS requests).

That's literally the second option I describe. What is your point?

Just wanted to clarify that the issue was not with the Diffie-Hellman key exchange itself, but the way we currently do DNS plus IP routing are the issues.

Technically, the client could encrypt their IP with the y=H(g^{scr}) key (result of the DH KE) and send (Enc(y, IP), g^{rc})-- where H is the oracle, g^s server public key, rc *key (or generally 1 time key). The server can then compute the same key (g^{rc}^s and then apply H) and decrypt.

So the second and third paragraph contradict a bit each other, which was the sole reason for my clarification. I am not stating you as wrong or anything; I was just augmenting, so other readers don't get the wrong impression and decouple Diffie-Hellman KE from public key cryptography.

P.S. The remaining issue is to make sure the server does not have to decrypt the IP for invalid connections etc (that is avoid DOS or leaking secrets as we are operating on not trusted ciphertext).

Re: How a Hacker Proved Cops Used a Stingray to Find Him

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Another thing that is ubiquitous today in airports, restaurants etc. is CCTV.

It's technically infeasible to locate someone via CCTV unless you have an accurate location already, for precisely this reason - there's a massive surfeit of data to search through, and current facial-recognition software is incapable of the task.

Sure, but the case here was "we have the IP address, we want to know who was behind it", which is certainly feasible.

Re: How a Hacker Proved Cops Used a Stingray to Find Him

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In our thought-experiment world where each address has a public key that can be used to encrypt the payload data destined for it, the public key of the source can also be used to sign the data, ensuring the sender address isn't spoofed.

What validates that - the destination or intermediate devices? Spoofing is often just a means for volumetric DDoS attacks - if the destination is responsible for validate sources then we’re no better off there.

Presumably it would be validated by the destination, but that doesn't matter. The reason spoofing matters so much for volumetric DDOS attacks isn't due to spoofing the traffic sent directly to the target - it's because the target is spoofed as the source address in traffic sent to third-party amplifiers, that respond to the target.

If the third party amplifiers in this scenario can validate that the traffic is spoofed, it cuts out amplification attacks.

Re: How a Hacker Proved Cops Used a Stingray to Find Him

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I don't dispute that it's difficult. But expensive? How so?

Any decent VPN service has a monthly cost. That isn't trivial for everyone.

One can get decent VPNs for ~$3 per month. The free version of SecurityKISS is good too, although it's capped at 300MB per day, and offers only 5-10 exit IP addresses.

Re: How a Hacker Proved Cops Used a Stingray to Find Him

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The hacker was exposed because of poor OPSEC (due to tracking of his IP address). > Rigmaiden had received boxes and boxes of criminal discovery that would help him understand how the government planned to prosecute its case. In the penultimate box, he saw the word “stingray” in a set of notes. The authorities were exposed because of poor OPSEC as well. They weren't supposed to ever mention “stingray”.

All secrets eventually leak. It's a question of time. Not even state actors with unlimited resources can prevent secrets from leaking. So this wasn't bad operational security by authorities. It was a fundamentally flawed operation. Security through obscurity has limited and unpredictable usefulness. Good OPSEC can delay a leak, maybe. But OPSEC is still much harder for defenders than attackers. The article doesn't me…

You are only correct if stingrays are only a recent invention. On the other hand I am pretty sure they used them for at least a decade now - which means police had managed to abuse the security through obscurity thing for a vast number of cases by now.
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