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Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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He or she meant by population I would assume. Approximately 5 vs. 10 million.

Exactly. I would assume that the higher the population, the more buildings present. Just because you have a lot of land doesn't mean you have a lot of buildings.

Most of the building are not residential

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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I don't understand why this is needed. Here in Finland the government just gave this info out for free to anyone (CC 4.0). They have all the information anyway because they have need for it due to planning/building permits, defense, etc. The data is very accurate (for example I can zoom into my parents cottage and see the out house on it). Later on they used laser scanning from planes to scan the whole country for ve…

Take the size and complexity and federation into account... In Switzerland we have map.geo.admin.ch with a highly accurate representation of the levels and buildings. I love it

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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I don't understand why this is needed. Here in Finland the government just gave this info out for free to anyone (CC 4.0). They have all the information anyway because they have need for it due to planning/building permits, defense, etc. The data is very accurate (for example I can zoom into my parents cottage and see the out house on it). Later on they used laser scanning from planes to scan the whole country for ve…

Take the size and complexity and federation into account... In Switzerland we have map.geo.admin.ch with a highly accurate representation of the levels and buildings. I love it

The maps are an electronic version of the one we used in the military. They look gorgeous, retro and with a clever amount of details.

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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People like to say that, but in practice it's not true and hasn't been for over a century.

People like to say that, but in practice it's not true and hasn't been for over a century. It depends on the topic. When it comes to things like interstate commerce, you are correct -- the states don't each have treaties with each other. But when it comes to other things, like education, that's very much a local function. The feds set minimum best practices (enforced by the threat of removing funding), but it's up to…

Assuming that to be true, I would expect there to be localities within the US where laws differ so vastly that they resemble different countries when juxtaposed. Yet, I’ve traveled enough of the US that this would surprise me. (It would be very interesting to experience those two, though!)

I think the US shows itself to be pretty homogeneous, with some differences between the rural, suburban, and urban areas, but not much.

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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If anyone is interested in that type of data, our startup ( https://tensorflight.com ) extracts information like footprints and 10 other property factors for insurance (including bing imagery). More info: https://tensorflight.com/catalogue#Objects-supported-by-Tens... .

Hey ! I'll look into it with a lot of interest. Your catalog link is not very obvious in your navigation (only in text corpus). You could make it more visible in the orange bottom navbar? Cheers

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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post #3

I don't understand why this is needed. Here in Finland the government just gave this info out for free to anyone (CC 4.0). They have all the information anyway because they have need for it due to planning/building permits, defense, etc. The data is very accurate (for example I can zoom into my parents cottage and see the out house on it). Later on they used laser scanning from planes to scan the whole country for ve…

Having done a lot of research into this for a project in the US, the issue is not that they aren’t available but that each county distributed their GIS data in a different format. Some have online portals with the GIs data, some have only paper records, and some counties are missing information all together. There are companies here that work to consolidate that information but it hey charge exorbitant fees to access the data.

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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I don't understand why this is needed. Here in Finland the government just gave this info out for free to anyone (CC 4.0). They have all the information anyway because they have need for it due to planning/building permits, defense, etc. The data is very accurate (for example I can zoom into my parents cottage and see the out house on it). Later on they used laser scanning from planes to scan the whole country for ve…

There are numerous "open data" licences, many of which are totally incompatible with OSM. CC-BY 4.0 in this case isn't straightforwardly importable into OSM (you need to get them to sign a waiver). So that's one reason to generate our own data, rather than using "open data" from a government.

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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The USA is about 30x Finland's size by landarea and building data is primarily stored at the county or equivalent level of government (3000 of those). Imagine munging data from 3000 different counties, each with their own standards and systems of recording.

It should be trivial. It should be standardized. It is absolutely bizarre that we need to rely upon commercial companies to map things like streets and buildings when this is very accurately tracked by government. In an ideal world OSM data grids could be delegated to the appropriate governments, where it could have perfect precision with changes, street closures, one ways, redirects, etc.

Turning OSM into, essentially a view of local governments would remove the wiki aspect, where anyone can edit it.

Additionally, there is enough problems getting the global OSM community to come up with one tagging scheme. If every country made their own stuff, it would not be one map.

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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The United States is comprised of literally thousands of sovereign, independent governments. There are even independent limits on what rules these governments can impose upon each other. It is not a "subordinate" type of situation. That's why the size argument comes into play so often. It's not really a landmass or even population argument as much as is it a complexity argument.

People like to say that, but in practice it's not true and hasn't been for over a century.

> it's not true and hasn't been for over a century

We just had a Supreme Court ruling affirming states’ anti-commandeering rights [1].

[1] http://www.scotusblog.com/2018/05/opinion-analysis-justices-...

Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA is about 30x Finland's size by landarea and building data is primarily stored at the county or equivalent level of government (3000 of those). Imagine munging data from 3000 different counties, each with their own standards and systems of recording.

It should be trivial. It should be standardized. It is absolutely bizarre that we need to rely upon commercial companies to map things like streets and buildings when this is very accurately tracked by government. In an ideal world OSM data grids could be delegated to the appropriate governments, where it could have perfect precision with changes, street closures, one ways, redirects, etc.

> It should be standardized

No thank you. New York City doesn’t need a federal bureaucracy to be checked into every time a building goes up or a pipeline gets laid. And the level of detail which is necessary for New York would be overkill for rural counties; they have better things to spend their tax dollars on.

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