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Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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None of this makes it physically addictive, which is the only issue I'm making. Mental addiction can also be terrible, and can cause the issues described.

WHy are you pushing the physical addiction point? Cocaine isn't physically addictive. Cocaine can be terribly harmful.

How is weed harmful? Any mental and physical effects subside with cessation of use.

My buddy just quit for a month. The only issues he had were having to deal with his terrible IBS without what had effectively become medicine for him.

I smoke for similar reasons and for anti anxiety. It is FAR less harmful than brain melting benzos like xanax and Klonopin.

Wanna talk about harm? When I was prescribed Klonopin, I essentially blacked out for a month of my life. I didn't "wake up" from that until I missed a dose and promptly tossed it in the trash.

If you are so concerned with some nitpicky level of subjective "harm," maybe we should talk about all the harm prescription drugs can cause. When you have chronic illnesses and the medicine only makes you worse, self medication becomes an enticing prospect.

What about kids with severe seizures, etc? We've seen some of the most conservative states allow cbd oil because it is the only thing that works.

If you have an open mind, you should look into the endocannabinoid system that resides in every human being. We have a massive network of receptors that rely on cannabinoids to mediate chronic illnesses and reduce inflammation in our bodies.

It is thought that we have this system and relationship with cannabinoids because humans have been cultivating and consuming marijuana for thousands of years. Weed and humans have developed alongside each other over time in a kind of symbiotic relationship. To simply pretend that weed is some sort of harmful narcotic is so far from the truth.

Excess is the issue. A person who let's weed run their life is no different than someone that overeats or procrastinates constantly. If you have bad habits and no self control you can take anything to excess.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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This is called REM rebound. The reason is that in this case the psychoactive drugs in cannabis act as sedatives. Similar to alcohol and other depressants, this makes it easier to fall asleep, but harder to enter the "deeper" stages of sleep like REM. So when you quit ingesting cannabis, your body tries to make up for your ongoing REM sleep deficit, and you have more/stronger dreams as a result This what is happening…

The latter, many people with PTSD suffer basically flashback dreams. So they may smoke as a self medication, but the fear of an REM rebound causes physical symptoms when they don't smoke.

PTSD weed smoker here. Not the case whatsoever. If I don't smoke I don't suddenly have intense nightmares about my near death experience nor do I have a physical impetus to keep smoking. If I run out of weed I don't slip into the worst stages of PTSD.

It seems that there ate a ton of people speaking on behalf of both actual smokers and people with chronic illnesses and disorders.

If you don't have PTSD, you can't comprehend it, nor should you try to.

Top commenters issue is that they lack self control. Their "addiction" to weed is self imposed and akin to overeating or being addicted to masturbation.

When you stop smoking, you don't have withdrawals. You simply begin experiencing the chronic illnesses that you have been self medicating against.

I'd also like to add that for mental issues like anxiety, PTSD, and depression, weed acts like a mild antidepressant that is extremely manageable compared to the prescription options that typically make people even more unstable. Every antidepressant in America comes with a warning that it can increase suicidal tendencies, and I can tell you from experience that it is very true.

Those kinds of "medicines" work by making you numb, not treating the actual problems. You don't feel normal at all; you don't care about anything, become very reckless and unstable, and many kids end up killing themselves because of this mental state when they had taken the medicine to quell suicidal thoughts in the first place.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Yes. This isn't physical addiction. It can cause a mental addiction if you use it for that purpose, and the anxiety over going without can keep you awake. You see it in people with PTSD. edit Curious why people are objecting to this as I have personal experience in the area. Vivid dreams are common any time you go without dreaming for a while, it's not a sign of a physical addiction.

Because you're pushing a distinction (physical vs psychological addiction) that is mostly irrelevant but also untrue. There are many drugs that aren't strongly physically addictive, but most people recognise that the misuse of those drugs can cause severe harm. Cannabis should be in this category.

This is BS. Define the "severe harm" or stop making this argument.

There are a lot of people here speaking on behalf of smokers and people with chronic illnesses and disorders.

I happen to fall in both categories and self medicate.

I can and do stop smoking so the time. It is not physically addictive, and you can become mentally addicted to anything that gives you a dopamine release, like eating junk food.

I have never had "withdrawals," nor do I recognize weed "addiction" as anything other than excess, overindulgence, and a lack of self control.

People claiming that they are addicted to weed are simply looking to blame a bad habit for their lack of self control.

The only severe harm you can get from smoking too much weed is to your wallet.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Throwaway because obviously the stigma. But yes, it's very real. I am addicted to marijuana. I smoke nearly 3 grams a day; what has become a $1000+/month habit. I've always loved weed but the high salary has allowed me to lose control. I can't sleep or eat without it. Within 24 hours without weed I become an intolerable asshole who cannot eat or sleep. When I do sleep without it, it's full of nightmares and I wake up…

> a society that forces people into self medication of all forms From personal experience, I believe it's not society forcing anything, but a character flaw that encourages self-gratification in the short term. That flaw can be bypassed, don't give up if you're not happy about it.

Hmm or perhaps it's because the legal medicines available for chronic illnesses, autoimmune disorders, severe IBS, seizures, and depression/anxiety, etc don't actually work and give you horrendous side effects.

Please stop speaking on behalf of others if you have no clue what you are talking about.

There are people with MS that smoke and are able to walk and move around and not be in constant unbearabke pain. People with chronic back pain do not have to take opioids loaded with toxic nsaids that will destroy their kidneys and get them hooked on narcotics. People and even children with untreatable seizures can live completely oridnary lives. People with depression, PTSD, and anxiety do not have to rely on dangerous antidepressants that can actually increase suicidal thoughts and have resulted in numerous suicides.

People are self medicating because weed is the only real medicine for many of these illnesses.

To call those people cowards is downright awful and completely unwarranted.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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The latter, many people with PTSD suffer basically flashback dreams. So they may smoke as a self medication, but the fear of an REM rebound causes physical symptoms when they don't smoke.

PTSD weed smoker here. Not the case whatsoever. If I don't smoke I don't suddenly have intense nightmares about my near death experience nor do I have a physical impetus to keep smoking. If I run out of weed I don't slip into the worst stages of PTSD. It seems that there ate a ton of people speaking on behalf of both actual smokers and people with chronic illnesses and disorders. If you don't have PTSD, you can't com…

First and foremost, you are one person. Your experience does not represent the full range of experience, nor do anecdotes from people you've met.

Next, PTSD can cause flashbacks in several forms. Many people with the illness never have harmful flashback dreams.

I said that this is causing a mental addiction. So on top of everything effecting people differently, these require particular forms of thinking. If you don't know that marijuana can suppress dreams or use it for that purpose, you won't develop this addiction.

A mental addiction isn't a "lack of self control" or "self imposed" as you say. It works by a similar means to the placebo effect, where your belief that something has an effect leads to the effect.

>It seems that there ate a ton of people speaking on behalf of both actual smokers and people with chronic illnesses and disorders.If you don't have PTSD, you can't comprehend it, nor should you try to.

Seems to me that you shouldn't assume what diseases other people have suffered from. As you aren't the only one with first hand experience.

>Those kinds of "medicines" work by making you numb, not treating the actual problems

Though it's true that the prescribed alternatives are not cures, neither is marijuana. Both help you manage symptoms, but can lead to other problems. Therapy has been the only thing shown to be effective as a cure.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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$personvar = Planet earth is infected by humans who insist on forcing their perspective on those around them.

If you refuse to quit the recreational things you enjoy when $personvar demands it, they label you an addict. It doesn't matter to $personvar if you already proved your non-addiction to yourself and other $personvars, because $personvar has their head up their own asses.

This can easily send you on a long journey of self-doubt, and you should absolutely hold $personvar accountable for reducing the quality of your life for their own selfish reasons.

Addiction is a real thing sure, and decades of scientific studies have shown that Marijuana is not an addictive substance. Stop tolerating the liars.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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> a society that forces people into self medication of all forms From personal experience, I believe it's not society forcing anything, but a character flaw that encourages self-gratification in the short term. That flaw can be bypassed, don't give up if you're not happy about it.

Hmm or perhaps it's because the legal medicines available for chronic illnesses, autoimmune disorders, severe IBS, seizures, and depression/anxiety, etc don't actually work and give you horrendous side effects. Please stop speaking on behalf of others if you have no clue what you are talking about. There are people with MS that smoke and are able to walk and move around and not be in constant unbearabke pain. People…

I was talking specifically about Marijuana addiction, OP's topic.
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