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Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

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Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

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Drugs desensitise people to life's "regular highs" which makes them seek out stronger, more stimulating experiences in their lives, which makes them want more money (since these experiences tend to be expensive), which makes people more competitive in the workplace/marketplace (and more likely to be dishonest and prioritise short term gains)... This makes it harder for non-drug-users to compete in the workplace/marke…

have you try any ?

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

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post #18

I'm totally on-board with opposition to the pointless 'War on Drugs,' but what I'm not cool with is when pundits and other public figures on the other side of the spectrum PUSH for its wide-adoption and integration into everyday lifestyle akin to alcohol -- like the article's author is doing here -- which I feel is equally detrimental because there have been many well documented cases of people succumbing to the spel…

Weed can most definitely be dangerous, and it is going to vary from person to person, from situation to situation not in the least the other drugs/medicine they use. FWIW (anecdotal), I've had small psychosis ("bad trip", a BS name for that IMO) lasting a few hours to half a day on it multiple times under different circumstances (one time combination with one glass of alcohol plus not being used to either, one time w…

I've had and still have all of what you've described. Plus being afraid of being by myself; or alive even (the anxiety that just comes, and you start assigning deeper meaning to it; when in fact it's just anxiety that doesn't even have any roots at all).

Many times I have asked myself if I could just stop once and it would never happen to me again (which is a lie, since there's always a trigger outside marijuana consumption), but the actual experience of dealing with psychosis have always been incredibly attractive to me.

I have to admit that I did become better at managing my own state of mind where I can not directly control the circumstances. I don't think you can control the psychosis, no - but you can teach yourself to get familiar with what is happening to you and therefore know there's nothing to be afraid of.

But my question is still that of: what if I, for once - could not directly control myself and would end up damaging or even killing myself? I don't think it will happen to me anymore simply because I went through with it. But what if I wasn't lucky enough? That still frightens me, when I think about it.

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

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the crazy war on drugs and stigma is something I never really understood. Why do I when I take for example mdma, a drug that just makes me feel happy and loved, become a criminal and can go to prison? This just seems so weird. And then we have alcohol and cigarettes which are even more damaging to your body than a lot of things, and it’s completely fine. I’d say it should be up choice. If you want to take substance x…

I hope one day those who push war on drugs are recognised for the damage they have caused and all the deception that is going on will be exposed and heads will roll.

Did any heads roll when The Prohibition was finally considered a failure?

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

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post #6

the crazy war on drugs and stigma is something I never really understood. Why do I when I take for example mdma, a drug that just makes me feel happy and loved, become a criminal and can go to prison? This just seems so weird. And then we have alcohol and cigarettes which are even more damaging to your body than a lot of things, and it’s completely fine. I’d say it should be up choice. If you want to take substance x…

If alcohol and cigarettes had been invented today, they would most certainly not be legal.

Cars probably also wouldn't be legal.

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

#45
I take what I blasphemously call my annual “Jesus Day” alone in the dunes at the end of Cape Cod

Fun story: I live and went to school in Provincetown which is the "end of Cape Cod" to which the author is referring. One of my good friends worked for the "rescue squad" (Fire/EMT). He told me that more than once they've had to "rescue" someone wondering the dunes, high on ...something who was having medical trouble. Probably not related as Ptown is sort of an artists/spiritual place for many put please remember this before taking those shrooms - bring a sober buddy.

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely! I can identify with the author of the Vice article. I worry that the liberalization of drugs will lead people that are "wired" differently to experiment and screw up their mental and cognitive skills. Weed definitely changed me.

Is change only a bad thing?

We're adapted as optimally as evolution can manage, for survival. You think change will necessarily be a good thing? If 50% of people are changed for the better, and 50% for the worse, is that good?

There used to be a saying that LSD made smart people smarter and stupid people jump out of windows. Is that a good thing?

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

#47

I'm totally on-board with opposition to the pointless 'War on Drugs,' but what I'm not cool with is when pundits and other public figures on the other side of the spectrum PUSH for its wide-adoption and integration into everyday lifestyle akin to alcohol -- like the article's author is doing here -- which I feel is equally detrimental because there have been many well documented cases of people succumbing to the spel…

Right. I am extremely skeptical, generally, of studies that are too convenient for the people conducting or financing the studies. Studies that just so happen to ascribe substantial and mysteriously hitherto-undiscovered medical benefits to illegal substances that people want to use recreationally strike me as suspect, and I demand of them a much greater than ordinary level of rigor.

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

#48

I'm totally on-board with opposition to the pointless 'War on Drugs,' but what I'm not cool with is when pundits and other public figures on the other side of the spectrum PUSH for its wide-adoption and integration into everyday lifestyle akin to alcohol -- like the article's author is doing here -- which I feel is equally detrimental because there have been many well documented cases of people succumbing to the spel…

> people succumbing to the spell of psychedelics and similar substances

Which is even more pronounced when the brain hasn't finished to develop itself .

Advertising drugs as trivial is dangerous ,it could lead to youth experiment with drugs much younger at much larger scale.

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

#49
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weed can most definitely be dangerous, and it is going to vary from person to person, from situation to situation not in the least the other drugs/medicine they use. FWIW (anecdotal), I've had small psychosis ("bad trip", a BS name for that IMO) lasting a few hours to half a day on it multiple times under different circumstances (one time combination with one glass of alcohol plus not being used to either, one time w…

I've had and still have all of what you've described. Plus being afraid of being by myself; or alive even (the anxiety that just comes, and you start assigning deeper meaning to it; when in fact it's just anxiety that doesn't even have any roots at all). Many times I have asked myself if I could just stop once and it would never happen to me again (which is a lie, since there's always a trigger outside marijuana cons…

Thank you for sharing your experience.

> Plus being afraid of being by myself; or alive even

I absolutely love being alone. I mean, I like to learn, read, watch, play, etc. which I can do on my own. Its when I am the least anxious. A rule of thumb is the more people around me, the more anxious I become unless I'm one of the many (not in the center of attention; though my odd behaviour can cause that). This is regardless of being in a state of psychosis.

After those 3 mild psychosis I had a long one in end of 2012 related to stress but not (AFAIK) to drugs. This one lasted for a total of approx 2 months. FWIW, the fact that I had those mild psychosis before, helped me during this time.

Is that the ideal way to threat a psychosis? I don't think so. The best thing to do -even if drugs are involved- is seeking professional help. Something I failed to do, because I distrusted that around that time.

Also, I can highly recommend mindfulness to cope with anxiety (and other negative feelings such as lack of focus/concentration, being/becoming oversensitive, even insomnia). I recently followed a course on mindfulness for people with autism and can recommend.

> I don't think you can control the psychosis, no - but you can teach yourself to get familiar with what is happening to you and therefore know there's nothing to be afraid of.

You can only control it so much, but the despair of feeling not in control is painful. It is a matter of accepting that and knowing that over time it will go away. What you need to do is focus on that long term. IMO it is a test of patience. As I said before, I feel like mindfulness can aid here. If you lack the faith though, do admit yourself. Right away.

> But my question is still that of: what if I, for once - could not directly control myself and would end up damaging or even killing myself?

During my psychosis I pretty much had no ego left, and could easily criticise myself without feeling any resistance or pain to that whatsoever. That is an advantage, one I feel the scientific community could indeed explore. I wasn't afraid of damaging/killing myself directly (if I was, I'd have voluntarily committed myself to a ward) but I was afraid of damaging/killing myself indirectly, getting in a worse state (after a while I slowly felt I was getting out of it). So I pretty much locked myself in a dark room with one laptop (on a decent brightness) and WLAN and a couple of bottles of water which I sometimes refreshed. The only time I went out of my bed was to pee (I barely ate; not hungry). I felt like I had that part under control though I must admit: it would've been more safe if I admitted myself at that point. In the beginning I could not sleep, and when I slept I felt like a waking dream. I had permanent headache. Both of that slowly progressed to a better state. I can also, regrettably, say that my brain was damaged; I felt less intelligent afterwards. With the correct professional aid and guidance such can be recovered till some extend, akin to with seizures.

Re: Why We Should Say Yes to Drugs

#50
Now that corporates cannot sell more TVs, food, travels, loans, phones, they have turned to the good old business model of turning their customers into junkies.

Sustainable business model, extremely profitable and extremely anti-competitive, .... but rules are for fools. As time permits doctors and psychologists will have their share of the spoils like tobacco.

Personally I would turn the tide and put cigarettes on par with heroin legally. 1 packet of cigarettes, six months to jail. Their profits were made by devastating our healthcare system and made people ill.

Why not try this again? This time they will sell drugs legally.

The crisis was never financial, we as humans went bancrupt.

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