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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Ok, my previous comment ("Who cares?") seemed to be thoughtless or even offensive (~15 downvotes in 5 minutes), and I have to acknowledge that it lacked quite some arguments.

So let me ask: why does this news deserve so much attention to stand in front of HN? What interesting innovation, except the GUI, has brought this new OS release? Is an OS all about GUI and look & feel?

Generally speaking, I am just fed up with all this thoughtless media attention.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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On the other hand, I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right, that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed. Bug 568711 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)... particularly nasty because it is a confirmed bug in suspend/resume that has a lot of people being affected by it - but has been relegated to medium severity and is c…

> that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed.

Well... It works for me - Acer Aspire One 251, Dell E4300 and HP dv6xxx. Windows never got suspend/resume right neither on the Dell nor the HP. I never used the Acer under Windows, so, I am not sure if it worked or not.

It would be useful, regarding this bug, if people with functioning machines chimed in with lshw listings so a failure pattern, if there is one, could be determined.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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post #31

Ok, my previous comment ("Who cares?") seemed to be thoughtless or even offensive (~15 downvotes in 5 minutes), and I have to acknowledge that it lacked quite some arguments. So let me ask: why does this news deserve so much attention to stand in front of HN? What interesting innovation, except the GUI, has brought this new OS release? Is an OS all about GUI and look & feel? Generally speaking, I am just fed up with…

"Is an OS all about GUI and look & feel?"

Considering 95% of the world don't care about anything but how something looks and whether they can interact with it in a way that makes sense I would suggest that it is, to a large degree.

They also need a good foundation of course but too often do people in the OSS communities confuse having a solid foundation with having a winning product.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right FWIW I tried to install Ubuntu on my wife's laptop and the main thing that made her go back to Windows was the look of the fonts . So I think Canonical is right to focus on polishing up things that can attract non-technical users.

you're absolutely right - but ugly fonts were fixable even previously. I used Droid or even Calibri from my Windows 7 install. I dont think there have been any changes in font rendering itself (which is the main cause of Linux fonts looking bad compared to Win7 or OSX) - rather, just a new font. But suspend/resume ? I just cant fix it - it is so bad that I have started believing in Linux suspend/resume being sentient…

Most modern fonts are designed to work around limitations of the display medium. It even seems reasonable you could design a font to account for a bad display algorithm.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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Is it possible to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 without reinstalling the whole OS?

Yeah, of course. sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

That's an unsupported upgrade method. Please issue "update-manager -d" in a desktop install, or "do-release-upgrade -d" on a server or other command line environment.

Re: Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

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post #21

On the other hand, I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right, that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed. Bug 568711 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)... particularly nasty because it is a confirmed bug in suspend/resume that has a lot of people being affected by it - but has been relegated to medium severity and is c…

> I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right FWIW I tried to install Ubuntu on my wife's laptop and the main thing that made her go back to Windows was the look of the fonts . So I think Canonical is right to focus on polishing up things that can attract non-technical users.

This is shocking to me. Windows font rendering isn't even close to what Ubuntu-packaged cairo/freetype is capable of, especially on high-DPI screens. Or perhaps she didn't like the fonts themselves? In that case you could have copied a bunch of Windows fonts, for instance Consolas looks absolutely gorgeous under FreeType.

I applaud Ubuntu for their font efforts. They were the first distro to package non-crippled FreeType (main reason why so many people believed that "linux fonts are ugly"). Thanks to Canonical, mainstream Linux now has the best font rendering of the 3 by far (windows/osx/linux).

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