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What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Interesting. What's up with his pronunciation of the words earth and stars ? Everything else is perfectly pronounced.

rhotic speech defect. you get used to it (and turn on subtitles)

I think Oliver Sacks (RIP) had the same impediment. It’s very pleasing to my ears for some reason.

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Here's my take on the future: We'll upload ourselves and use much less energy. As uploaded agents we'll have all the advantages of software - forking multiple instances of ourselves, backup for assured immortality, plugins and upgrades, changing our appearance at will, slowing down or speeding up, becoming part of a collective - everything. It will be Life 2.0, very different from our life. We've already "uploaded" p…

I'm finding it difficult to understand what you mean by 'uploading'. Do you mean in some kind of Mixed Reality scenario where we are interacting with virtual assets?

I think they mean this stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Even in a trillion years, a star won't burn up so much of its energy that less than 10^-30 of it remains. So the wait is worth it.

I'd argue the opposite: it only takes one non-hibernating species out to dominate and it will hunt down every sleeping civilizations data center and annihilate them - so that they remain the most dominant species. Such a "hibernation data center" must thus be the most well guarded / hidden place in the galaxy...

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Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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I wish I could still see people and nations with the optimism of youth. But now I am going to point out that someone will probably weaponize fusion and that will be the end of that. We're not making it off this planet as a civilization, and honestly that may be for the best. (but I still think The Expanse may be the best show since Babylon 5)

Are you not familiar with the hydrogen bomb, or are you speculating about unphysical weapons?

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Highly unlikely. Unless wormholes are setup with strange restrictive configurations they allow sending messages back in time, without needing any new physics. Once you have a wormhole, if you use gravity to accelerate one of the ends away then bring it back near the other end, they will have a time difference, due to general relativity. If you bring them close enough, that time difference will be greater than it take…

Doesn’t that just put bounds on which wormholes are possible, rather than proving no wormhole is possible?

It doesn't prove they are impossible, but what it shows is if they are possible, the universe is conspiratorial. Because it restricts your free will so you don't create time travel paradoxes.

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Highly unlikely. Unless wormholes are setup with strange restrictive configurations they allow sending messages back in time, without needing any new physics. Once you have a wormhole, if you use gravity to accelerate one of the ends away then bring it back near the other end, they will have a time difference, due to general relativity. If you bring them close enough, that time difference will be greater than it take…

I’ve recently become dissatisfied with the two standard ways to make closed timelike curves. Gravity: that’s treating gravity like it doesn’t go through the wormhole. I expect it would. If it does, both sides are time dilated equally. Acceleration: what, exactly, are you accelerating? If it’s made of stuff, you time dilate the stuff. If it’s not made of stuff… can you even move it in any meaningful sense, or is that…

You are accelerating the space which contains the wormhole. It doesn't matter if it's "stuff" or not.

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Highly unlikely. Unless wormholes are setup with strange restrictive configurations they allow sending messages back in time, without needing any new physics. Once you have a wormhole, if you use gravity to accelerate one of the ends away then bring it back near the other end, they will have a time difference, due to general relativity. If you bring them close enough, that time difference will be greater than it take…

Doesn’t that just put bounds on which wormholes are possible, rather than proving no wormhole is possible?

As the maxim says, "relativity, causality, or FTL... pick two."

The bounds on which wormholes are possible are likely bounds which make the transmission of information (including matter) impossible, because we live in a universe in which relativity and causality exist, and cannot (as far as we know) be violated.

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Here's my take on the future: We'll upload ourselves and use much less energy. As uploaded agents we'll have all the advantages of software - forking multiple instances of ourselves, backup for assured immortality, plugins and upgrades, changing our appearance at will, slowing down or speeding up, becoming part of a collective - everything. It will be Life 2.0, very different from our life. We've already "uploaded" p…

I'm finding it difficult to understand what you mean by 'uploading'. Do you mean in some kind of Mixed Reality scenario where we are interacting with virtual assets?

I assume he means digitally simulating your entire mind on a computer. Basically trading your biological brain for software.

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When the brightest minds of our generation have dedicated themselves to optimizing advertising networks, you can be sure we aren't emphasizing these things.

Are we sure the brightest minds of our generation really are simply devoting themselves to optimizing advertising? To be sure, some are - but folks like the author of the original paper the article is based on are the counter example to the common refrain. I see brilliant folks laboring in all sort of fascinating endeavors. They’ve yet to achieve publicity because their work is either not complete or they prefer obsc…

I've considered the possibility that while seemingly pervasive and inescapable, ad tech is widely ineffective.

There's the perception that it's part of some deep state panopticon, and that there's more than one, and the other one fucked up the 2018 election, or something like that.

But I'd take a wild guess that in reality the effectiveness is something akin to anti-virus software. It only seems to catch the low hanging fruit.

With that in mind, I think this narrative is basing the underlying theme on things that were happening in the early 2000's when Google started buying up companies like Urchin and DoubleClick.

We're way past those days, and while ad tech does still pose a pervasive privacy hazard, I think newer more powerful technologies can passively track pretty much everyone by sniffing all the signals in the air for every wireless and mobile device in everyone's pockets.

I'd wager that the coverage is so dense that it even exposes the identities of people not carrying devices at all, and the facial recognition analysis of security video is just the icing on the cake to confirm exactly that.

So, really, now you have to wonder what the new awful thing is, that our brightest minds are working on.

Probably killbots.

Flying, driving, walking, talking killbots. That's my guess.

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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I just gave this a go. It's amazing, thank you for putting it on my radar. At first his speech impediment makes it harder to follow, but 5 minutes in you're used to it and you're just riveted by the content and the clear communication style. This is quality stuff.

I guess it’s more fun to dream about the world millions of years in the future, but wouldn’t we gain so much more if we spent all of our energy trying to optimize acquiring knowing more rapidly in the next few decades? For example, supply 9 billion humans with clean, renewable energy by 2050. Accelerate cures for cancers, heart disease, malaria, etc. Large colony on Mars within 20 years, ...

Thankfully, Isaac Arthur makes many videos about the very near future. I recommend the “Upward Bound” series. His work is the inspiration and optimism I need to put my best efforts toward building a better future in my own way.
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