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Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable

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Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable

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I have been daydreaming lately about how the Tesla Roadster 2 should be easily able to take the record around the ring for a production car. I'm hoping it will smash the record.

I don't see in what area it should have an advantage over a car with a gas engine.

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I have been daydreaming lately about how the Tesla Roadster 2 should be easily able to take the record around the ring for a production car. I'm hoping it will smash the record.

I don't see in what area it should have an advantage over a car with a gas engine.

This car that just beat the record is a hybrid and it was capable of improving accelerations out of curves due to direct torque. I'm doubtful a roadster could do anywhere close to this car's speed around the track but I'm convinced an all electric car could break this record. We might even see it happen with a self-driving electric car in the next few years.

Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He spent a fair amount of time bouncing off the rev limiter on the straightaway. Car could have used an eighth gear.

Eighth? Slow down there. The car comes with 4, 5 being an add-on package. It could also use more than 52HP. I suspect you might be commenting on the video in the article, rather than this comment with a video of a 1993 Citroën AX 14D. Regarding the Porsche, I doubt it would have been useful. The car maxed out at 369km/h, and was unable to maintain the speed for long. I doubt it has the torque to pull further ahead in…

Whoops. I had assumed the comment with a youtube link and no other commentary was just hosting the youtube video from tfa, rather than posting an entirely unrelated video. How annoying. Far too late to edit or delete my reply, of course.

Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable

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Comically fast, like video-game-I-can-just-hit-restart fast. A couple highlights of that YouTube video from sections of the track that are notoriously difficult: [YouTube Time] 00:49 -> 00:53 - Flugplatz at nearly 170mph is insane. Total trust in downforce and makes up many seconds if done right. 01:13 -> 01:25 - Fuchsrohre bottoming out at 200+ mph is nuts. 03:15 -> 03:20 - Interesting that Timo avoids the carousel.…

Knowing nothing about this subject, I'm a bit confused by the parent: The first section talks about how incredible the performance is - "comically fast", "nuts", etc. The second to last paragraph seems to say that it is easily done. Would you explain to easily confused, non-car-racing-enthusiasts? EDIT: In fact, I should ask: What is the significance of Nurburgring?

Most race tracks have perhaps 6-12 corners or so. The Nürburgring Nordschleife has 154.

It's 20.8km long and has 300 meters of elevation change along its length. It is an absolute monster, and a grueling test of both car and driver.

It's also so big, that you probably won't be able to see it at first on Google maps. Try zooming out a bit ;-)

Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable

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Comically fast, like video-game-I-can-just-hit-restart fast. A couple highlights of that YouTube video from sections of the track that are notoriously difficult: [YouTube Time] 00:49 -> 00:53 - Flugplatz at nearly 170mph is insane. Total trust in downforce and makes up many seconds if done right. 01:13 -> 01:25 - Fuchsrohre bottoming out at 200+ mph is nuts. 03:15 -> 03:20 - Interesting that Timo avoids the carousel.…

On avoiding the carousel, I'm wondering if the hybrid system (a short burst of acceleration) almost entirely negates the advantage of taking it. Plus I'll bet there is more time to be gained on the rest of the track (especially at these speeds) if you don't have to set the suspension up to handle the carousel. I also noticed he barely dipped into the mini-carousel, despite the common line being to hit the bottom apex there.

Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see in what area it should have an advantage over a car with a gas engine.

This car that just beat the record is a hybrid and it was capable of improving accelerations out of curves due to direct torque. I'm doubtful a roadster could do anywhere close to this car's speed around the track but I'm convinced an all electric car could break this record. We might even see it happen with a self-driving electric car in the next few years.

VW just beat the Pikes Peak record with an all electric car but that was mainly because gas engines lose power at altitude. Personally I think for the time being gas engines will still be superior because they weigh less compared to batteries. I think there is a good chance that an electric car will beat the record but that will be more for PR reasons than technical merit.

Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable

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> What is the significance of Nurburgring? It's both old and good. Almost a century of racing, setting and breaking records went down on it. (Also you can drive on it yourself w/ your own car).

It is also not a tiny circuit with only a handful of corners. It is harder to tune a car for nurburgring than a nascar oval. So the theory goes that nurburgring results are more representative of overall (realworld) performance.

It's also very bumpy. More like a normal road than a race track. A team manager once told me that not every driver can go full throttle on the longest straight because of the bumps.

Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eighth? Slow down there. The car comes with 4, 5 being an add-on package. It could also use more than 52HP. I suspect you might be commenting on the video in the article, rather than this comment with a video of a 1993 Citroën AX 14D. Regarding the Porsche, I doubt it would have been useful. The car maxed out at 369km/h, and was unable to maintain the speed for long. I doubt it has the torque to pull further ahead in…

Whoops. I had assumed the comment with a youtube link and no other commentary was just hosting the youtube video from tfa, rather than posting an entirely unrelated video. How annoying. Far too late to edit or delete my reply, of course.

That other video is well worth watching though. Flat-out balls-to-the-wall for the entire length, with no braking, in an old beater. It's impressive.
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