Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
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Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#2Microsoft has allowed the OSM community to trace from Bing aerial imagery for almost 10 years now. That's been a massive benefit to OSM, way more than this dump of buildings. They should be congratulated and thanked for that contribution.
Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#3I don't understand why this is needed. Here in Finland the government just gave this info out for free to anyone (CC 4.0). They have all the information anyway because they have need for it due to planning/building permits, defense, etc.
The data is very accurate (for example I can zoom into my parents cottage and see the out house on it). Later on they used laser scanning from planes to scan the whole country for very accurate topological map too.
The moment this information was released for free both OSM and Google Maps quality jumped a notch or two. Before this google maps only had roads but now it has small foot paths etc too.
https://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/e-services/open-data-fil...
Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#4Microsoft has allowed the OSM community to trace from Bing aerial imagery for almost 10 years now. That's been a massive benefit to OSM, way more than this dump of buildings. They should be congratulated and thanked for that contribution.
Why do you assume anyone using this data is not thankful?
Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#5Microsoft has allowed the OSM community to trace from Bing aerial imagery for almost 10 years now. That's been a massive benefit to OSM, way more than this dump of buildings. They should be congratulated and thanked for that contribution.
Why do you assume anyone using this data is not thankful?
Because consumers of the data may not know.
Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#6I don't understand why this is needed. Here in Finland the government just gave this info out for free to anyone (CC 4.0). They have all the information anyway because they have need for it due to planning/building permits, defense, etc. The data is very accurate (for example I can zoom into my parents cottage and see the out house on it). Later on they used laser scanning from planes to scan the whole country for ve…
The USA is about 30x Finland's size by landarea and building data is primarily stored at the county or equivalent level of government (3000 of those). Imagine munging data from 3000 different counties, each with their own standards and systems of recording.
Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#7I don't understand why this is needed. Here in Finland the government just gave this info out for free to anyone (CC 4.0). They have all the information anyway because they have need for it due to planning/building permits, defense, etc. The data is very accurate (for example I can zoom into my parents cottage and see the out house on it). Later on they used laser scanning from planes to scan the whole country for ve…
The USA is about 30x Finland's size by landarea and building data is primarily stored at the county or equivalent level of government (3000 of those). Imagine munging data from 3000 different counties, each with their own standards and systems of recording.
It should be trivial. It should be standardized.
It is absolutely bizarre that we need to rely upon commercial companies to map things like streets and buildings when this is very accurately tracked by government. In an ideal world OSM data grids could be delegated to the appropriate governments, where it could have perfect precision with changes, street closures, one ways, redirects, etc.
Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#8I don't understand why this is needed. Here in Finland the government just gave this info out for free to anyone (CC 4.0). They have all the information anyway because they have need for it due to planning/building permits, defense, etc. The data is very accurate (for example I can zoom into my parents cottage and see the out house on it). Later on they used laser scanning from planes to scan the whole country for ve…
The USA is about 30x Finland's size by landarea and building data is primarily stored at the county or equivalent level of government (3000 of those). Imagine munging data from 3000 different counties, each with their own standards and systems of recording.
Where does this size argument arrive from because it comes up consistently on USA v elsewhere arguments? 95th percentile densities are no more than europe. The population of USA is more than 30x Finland and we are talking about laser scanning (by EPA or equivalent)
Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
The USA is about 30x Finland's size by landarea and building data is primarily stored at the county or equivalent level of government (3000 of those). Imagine munging data from 3000 different counties, each with their own standards and systems of recording.
It should be trivial. It should be standardized. It is absolutely bizarre that we need to rely upon commercial companies to map things like streets and buildings when this is very accurately tracked by government. In an ideal world OSM data grids could be delegated to the appropriate governments, where it could have perfect precision with changes, street closures, one ways, redirects, etc.
There's a huge difference between tracking for building permits and opening an API to the world.
As an example -- in Seattle, sewer lines are still denoted with "sewer cards", digital images of pencil drawings on hundred-year-old paper. It is sufficient for sewer records, but utterly insufficient for OSM.
Re: Microsoft Releases 125M Building Footprints in the US as Open Data
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
It should be trivial. It should be standardized. It is absolutely bizarre that we need to rely upon commercial companies to map things like streets and buildings when this is very accurately tracked by government. In an ideal world OSM data grids could be delegated to the appropriate governments, where it could have perfect precision with changes, street closures, one ways, redirects, etc.
There's a huge difference between tracking for building permits and opening an API to the world. As an example -- in Seattle, sewer lines are still denoted with "sewer cards", digital images of pencil drawings on hundred-year-old paper. It is sufficient for sewer records, but utterly insufficient for OSM.
In Washington State, nearly all of the counties provide daily or weekly data exports for lot lines, streets and more. OSM regularly imports this data, but if you go much outside Seattle and are using Google Maps, prepare for a rubbish experience, as Google hasn't bothered to source the data directly from the counties (thus there are many missing and incorrectly drawn roads in the San Juans) and they're relying on a 3rd party vendor that is running a few years behind on pulling county data.
To put this in perspective, in Kitsap county alone they've renumbered nearly 300k lots over the past few years. Google Maps doesn't get those new addresses or road names until its trickled down through USPS (who they're required to notify) then eventually to their data vendor, leaving you with a spotty patchwork of places that Google users have updated to the correct addresses.
Google had a good strategy with sourcing user contributions, but pulling the public domain data that is offered freely for download and is literally the canonical source isn't hard, a small team can manage it for OSM, why is Google paying a 3rd party vendor that gives them trash instead of the latest data?