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Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by skellera »

RestlessMind wrote: post #193
clarry wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just used Google Image search and in frustration switched to DDG because I have no idea how to get direct links to the images that Google presents. I don't think it was always this hard? Or maybe I've grown dumber. EDIT: Evidently you can right-click and view image. I thought that wouldn't get me to the original image since the image as presented in search is smaller in resolution than what Google says the image re…

You know what DDG is doing is illegal, right? Google Images used to link to direct images as well. But then there were lawsuit threats and a settlement with Getty, which forced them to stop linking directly. If DDG / Bing become big enough, they too will be forced to stop their practice.

It's not illegal. They were sued then Getty dropped the suit when Google agreed to partner with them and remove the links.

https://9to5google.com/2018/02/09/google-images-features-get...

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by hartator »

tiatia123 wrote: post #199

All medium traffic sites depend on google. We had a good running shop. We changed some things. Nearly one week site down due to server crash (don't ask!). No problem. New server, new IP. No problem. Force always SSL. No problem. But then we switched the shopping cart. This killed us. Traffic down 70%

Switched the shopping cart? It shouldn’t affect SEO.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by tiatia123 »

hartator wrote: post #202
tiatia123 wrote: post #199

All medium traffic sites depend on google. We had a good running shop. We changed some things. Nearly one week site down due to server crash (don't ask!). No problem. New server, new IP. No problem. Force always SSL. No problem. But then we switched the shopping cart. This killed us. Traffic down 70%

Switched the shopping cart? It shouldn’t affect SEO.

New URLS?

After 4 months we have not recovered from this.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by skellera »

njarboe wrote: post #196
CoryG89 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but it couldn't be widespread, or I would definitely think it would leak eventually.

Possibly. But aren't everyone's google searches already customized when you are logged in to Google. If people at google don't have special options, then how would they know they get a special (ie. better) type of search. I wonder how many people have access and understand the full search source code at google (less all the machine learning stuff)? In older versions of google, one could quote a full error message of…

> I wonder how many people have access and understand the full search source code at google (less all the machine learning stuff)?

Not many, it's probably the highest guarded secret in the company as far as products go.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by clarry »

RestlessMind wrote: post #193
clarry wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just used Google Image search and in frustration switched to DDG because I have no idea how to get direct links to the images that Google presents. I don't think it was always this hard? Or maybe I've grown dumber. EDIT: Evidently you can right-click and view image. I thought that wouldn't get me to the original image since the image as presented in search is smaller in resolution than what Google says the image re…

You know what DDG is doing is illegal, right? Google Images used to link to direct images as well. But then there were lawsuit threats and a settlement with Getty, which forced them to stop linking directly. If DDG / Bing become big enough, they too will be forced to stop their practice.

Lawsuit threats don't make something illegal.

The case with linking is far from settled.

Legal or not, I don't care though. But I do look forward to highly anonymized p2p networks with useful services and software we can rely on by the time the lawmakers have made the internet useless.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by scarface74 »

jacekm wrote: post #200
scarface74 wrote: post #178

If content owners want to fight piracy, make content easier to get at a price people are willing to pay. There will always be a certain contingent of people that will never pay for content and will always choose piracy. I personally stopped pirating music when iTunes Music came online. It was much easier to pay $0.99 for a song than to scour Napster,Kazaa, Limewire, and the rest of the p2p software. Now with Apple Mu…

55$ is still quite a lot of money in majority of the world. Plus some content is not available in some regions. I pay for Spotify but for movies (anime in particular) I still need to resort to torrents sometimes. I'd much more prefer to simply pay and avoid the hassle if only I had such opportunity.

Of course you have to cater to the local market realities. Doesn’t Chrunchyroll cater to anime fans? If you have to resort to piracy because their is no legal alternative but you would pay for one if it existed, it kind of proves my point.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by ArrrMatey »

chii wrote: post #46
AngryData wrote: post #7

Google has been trash for pirate content for awhile now. 9/10 sites it does show are fake and straight up malicious with like 50 different things trying to hijack your browser and make you install shit. Not that real pirate sites are exactly safe, but at least they actually provide what people are looking for.

do you have a recommended list of good piracy sites?

Meta indexer like torrentz2.eu (that replaced the old torrentz.eu), if you look in their help page you'll find the list of sites they index.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by hjek »

Kiro wrote: post #81
hjek wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for that? DDG has their own cralwer[1], so it would appear it also gets its own search results, even if may get some search results from other search engines. [1]: https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot

https://duck.co/help/results/sources > In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we source from Bing, Yahoo, and Yandex. So DuckDuckBot is not…

Thanks for taking the time to look that up.

So their bot is only for instant answers, and DDG is really just a metasearch engine? I'm a bit disappointed by that.

Might as well change to Searx then. It's also "just" a metasearch engine, but at least it's fully free/libre.

I wonder if there are any well-established free search engines that do their own crawling?

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by Synaesthesia »

stcredzero wrote: post #160
shiado wrote: post #124

I remember I used to do filetype searches for mp3, mp4, flac, etc... and get all sorts of good stuff. I would find ftp servers with thousands of songs and just download anything interesting. I feel like the Google search algorithm peaked many years ago and has gradually been neutered by all sorts of special interest groups who have no doubt harassed Google with legal threats. Google probably doesn't want to censor re…

Google probably doesn't want to censor results the way they have been forced to. From what I've seen, there is a large contingent of Google who doesn't want to provide unfettered access to information. Rather, this contingent wants to socially engineer everyone for the better using their power.

Google makes its money selling advertising - it has no incentive to provide unfettered access of information to everyone.
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