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Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by ReverseCold » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:25 PM UTC

becomingknown wrote: post #164

Stratoscope wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be right-clicking the thumbnail in the image search list. Instead, first left-click the thumbnail to open the larger image preview. Then right-click the large preview image and select "open image in new tab". You will get the full image. If anyone has an example where this doesn't work, I'd be curious to see it. It works every time for me.

>Instead, first left-click the thumbnail to open the larger image preview. Then right-click the large preview image and select "open image in new tab". You will get the full image. Works only for some sites. If the large preview is a stretched thumbnail of that picture, then "open image in new tab" will not get you the full image but the thumbnail.

> If the large preview is a stretched thumbnail of that picture

That happens when the large picture hasn't yet loaded. If you wait it usually will load.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by burger_moon » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:25 PM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #153

ddtaylor wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a subscriber of Netflix it's trash for my tastes now. Many of the shows I did enjoy are no longer on the service and once my subscription runs out I won't be renewing it.

We did this for similar reasons; the documentary and edutainment selection ran dry, and the children's section had a terrible signal/noise. Now we've been without any TV or streaming services for about six months, and relying on a Kodi box and my collection of ripped DVDs. We spend more time together as a family.

Documentaries just don't pay the bills and I think it's killed off a lot of potential for good content.

Chris Bell is someone who I heard talk recently on a podcast about this. He makes documentaries and discussed how hard it is just to break even making a documentary because of how Netflix/HBO/etc structure deals and vendor lock in.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by dyeje » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

shiado wrote: post #124

I remember I used to do filetype searches for mp3, mp4, flac, etc... and get all sorts of good stuff. I would find ftp servers with thousands of songs and just download anything interesting. I feel like the Google search algorithm peaked many years ago and has gradually been neutered by all sorts of special interest groups who have no doubt harassed Google with legal threats. Google probably doesn't want to censor re…

I wonder if there's a secret, vanilla Google endpoint out there without all the special interest filtering.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by bagels » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:29 PM UTC

dawnerd wrote: post #159

AngryData wrote: post #7

Google has been trash for pirate content for awhile now. 9/10 sites it does show are fake and straight up malicious with like 50 different things trying to hijack your browser and make you install shit. Not that real pirate sites are exactly safe, but at least they actually provide what people are looking for.

So I was looking for an older movie a while back, not even necessarily to pirate but just if it was available anywhere. Tons of results on YouTube that were just hiurbking clips with a frame that said check description for url. Amazing google can’t stop those but they can do things like demobilize lgbt content.

What does this verb mean in this context, "demobilize"?

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:30 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #136

How often are pirates just starting with google anyway? I suspect most folks searching really do want a legit copy.

This.

If I want to find content that falls off the back of truck, I know where to look. But the people using Google to find content, are likely looking for legitimate content. I actually appreciate searching for a movie on my phone using Google and seeing at the top all of the legal places I can easily get content. Especially if one of those links are a service I already subscribe to.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:32 PM UTC

Splines wrote: post #145

abhiminator wrote: post #4

As much as I despise multi-billion dollar 'copyright holding' corporations, I feel this is a strategic move by Google to thrust more legitimate channels of media consumption (Netflix, Prime Video, Et al) to the top of the search results page. Having said that, people who actually use torrents regularly know their way around Google and other web-based search engines, and this move, therefore, should have little or no…

I think this helps people who legitimately want to get some piece of content and are confused/misled when they stumble upon a pirate/torrent site. They don't know what bittorrent is and are confused when they think they can download a movie and end up with a .torrent or a magnet link.

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Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by mikec3010 » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:33 PM UTC

codedokode wrote: post #107

I would prefer that Google would add labels like "pirate site" or "legitimate copy". How can a normal user understand what kind of site they are visiting and whether the site has a legal copy of a movie? The copyright agreements are not public. For example, there is a website that allows to watch Japanese TV from abroad (quite expensive by the way). How one can be sure that they are not paying to scammers?

Copyright law doesn't apply equally in all jurisdictions. So I would prefer they default to the lowest common denominator

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:39 PM UTC

If content owners want to fight piracy, make content easier to get at a price people are willing to pay. There will always be a certain contingent of people that will never pay for content and will always choose piracy.

I personally stopped pirating music when iTunes Music came online. It was much easier to pay $0.99 for a song than to scour Napster,Kazaa, Limewire, and the rest of the p2p software. Now with Apple Music, Spotify, etc. why bother pirating music?

I subscribe to Netflix,Hulu with no commercials, DirectvNow and Amazon Prime. I could find most of the content on pirate sites, but why would I bother? I would much rather just pay $65 a month (well actually I get Netflix free via T-mobile so $55/month).

Movie Pass was too restrictive and too much of a hassle to bother with, but I have no reason to pirate new releases anymore now that AMC has AMC Stubs A+. I signed myself and my wife up for the subscription the day it became available. A movie is now a cheap date night when we just want to get out of the house and do something.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by FussyZeus » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:39 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #167

stcredzero wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google probably doesn't want to censor results the way they have been forced to. From what I've seen, there is a large contingent of Google who doesn't want to provide unfettered access to information. Rather, this contingent wants to socially engineer everyone for the better using their power.

Google would've fought back much more -- as it has in the past -- if it wouldn't have gotten into the "content business." That's really the main leverage studios have over Google right now: "either remove the stuff we tell you or you'll no longer get access to the content you want from us." I wouldn't be surprised to learn that MPAA's board seat on the W3C was sponsored by Google (and Netflix, maybe Microsoft, and a…

The mental gymnastics employed by HN's pro-Google users never cease to impress. Excuses, explanations, speculation abound all so you don't need to confront the simple and obvious truth that Google's a business, it exists to make money and for no other reason, and the primary method it employs is doing all manner of things that degrade the quality of it's services to impress and court the advertising industry.

And now let the down-votes rain in.

Re: Google Downranks 65,000 Pirate Sites in Search Results

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Post by hiccuphippo » Sat, Jun 30, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

jstalin wrote: post #105

If only they would downrank sites that exist purely to defame: ripoffreport, stdreport, blacklistreport, etc.

If only they would downrank sites that exist purely to duplicate content from others: blogs, questions and answers, wikis, etc.