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What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Due to the big bang the universe is expanding... but you’d expect the expansion to be slowing down due to the drag of gravity. However, since the 1990s we’ve observed that the universe’s expansion is accelerating - the theory is that a force called “dark energy” is causing this acceleration. If the acceleration continues, there will be a point where distant galaxies will be accelerating away from each other at the sp…

The idea that humanity will ever travel even to the nearest star is pure fiction. Anyone who thinks otherwise just fails to grasp the distances involved. They are so large as to be beyond understanding.

Let's be a bit more positive on Humanity's progress eh?

Humanity is on the cusp of three major technological breakthroughs that will quite literally change everything.

1) AI. Even if we don't reach ASI in the near term, we'll have ANI to help us research new technologies in months/years rather than decades.

2) Asteroid Mining. Whether it's Musk/Bezos/A. N. Other, the very first time someone brings down an asteroid. It will herald the dawn of abundance for precious metals. What will happen to prices is another topic. But this will allow researchers to develop even more exotic materials.

With better materials resistant to heat, more conductive elements, etc, etc. Humanity be able to build what can only be dreamt of.

3) 7 Billion (now). 13 Billion with Mars, 50+ Billion with Europa, Titan, Ganymede, etc, etc, etc. There will be a time where Humans will stretch beyond this solar system. Imagine how many breakthroughs will be possible with 100m researchers and AI trying to crack something?

What will make this possible? With 1 and 2, we'll be able to finally crack fusion reactors. This will enable faster space travel than with current engines. Habitats will evolve from those initial Mars missions and will sprawl into mega cities. Who knows, there may even be Luxury apartments hovering in the upper atmosphere of Venus.

All this progress is exponential and if you stop to look around. The seeds are being sewn right now. By 2050, some things we consider Sci-fi will be reality.

Oh and I'll just throw this one in.

4) Nasa has been doing some work on the Alcubierre drive. Who is to say, that the issues that cannot be surmounted now, will be in the future? For those that want to know more. I'll leave a channel that goes into such things [0].

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kkCGRqZWaSIK3BmLC8vaw/vid...

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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I think tools 1 trillion years from now that stumble across that headline will wonder what humanity was.

> I think tools 1 trillion years from now that stumble across that headline will wonder what humanity was.

We will be lucky to still be here in 100 years.

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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This is a good contender for the next Ig Noble prize.

My knee reaction with such articles is "I am glad that the guy is not payed with my taxes" but then I wonder how many of such useless papers where actually trampolines for useful ones (by bootstrapping ideas, suggesting "some uses of vibranium which, in that specific case could be replaced with titanium", etc.).

This extends to topics like astrophysics of galaxies far away (which we will not reach within 7000 years), particle physics (which work at energies which cannot be replicated outside of the lab), ... I am well aware that things which happen around these topics (say, the need to better understand magnetism in accelerators which can lead to better tomography or something) but are these money pits really needed as catalyzers?

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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This goes together nicely with the Aestivation Hypothesis ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.03394 ). If a civilisation puts itself on hold for a trillion years, just waiting around doing nothing, then when it wakes up the universe is much colder and it can do computations 10^30 times more efficiently. If the civilization consists of minds running on computers then they've increased their own lifespans by the same factor.

The background temperature of the universe now an trillion years from now is not significantly different. It's 2.73 Kelvins today. Even if it goes very close to zero, that's not a big difference.

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a theory that the universe is expanding faster and faster. At some point in the future, stars would be moving away faster than the speed of light and we couldn't ever see them again or reach them.

How could they be moving faster than the speed of light?

Imagine two RC cars driving in opposite directions on a crumpled up, (virtually) infinitely large blanket with an uncountable number of ripples. The cars' top speeds are 10 MPH. On top of each car is an ant watching the other car.

Both cars start driving off at 10 MPH in opposite directions. From an ant's perspective on top of one car, the other car looks to be going 20 MPH away from it. Then someone starts pulling the blanket underneath the cars from opposite ends at 5 MPH. Now it looks like the other car is going 30 MPH. Now imagine for each ripple on that blanket, another hand appears and starts to pull, and the outer edges are pulled at 5MPH from the reference point of the nearest ripple.

From the perspective of an ant on one end, it can eventually get to the point that the other car is warping off at 100MPH or more. And as this blanket spreads out more and more, things speed up more and more as well. The cars never technically exceed their speed limits of 10 MPH, but the space that they occupy is being pulled apart in a way that they seem to be exceeding 10 MPH from each other's perspectives.

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Due to the big bang the universe is expanding... but you’d expect the expansion to be slowing down due to the drag of gravity. However, since the 1990s we’ve observed that the universe’s expansion is accelerating - the theory is that a force called “dark energy” is causing this acceleration. If the acceleration continues, there will be a point where distant galaxies will be accelerating away from each other at the sp…

The idea that humanity will ever travel even to the nearest star is pure fiction. Anyone who thinks otherwise just fails to grasp the distances involved. They are so large as to be beyond understanding.

Unfortunately, I think you are right. We haven't done so well in taking care of this planet that is perfect for us, we evolved for it.

People talking about living on dead, inhospitable planets / moons are just getting carried away with mental science fiction masturbation imho. Which is a fun activity in itself and with merit I agree, but realistically. Very soon, the very best minds we have are going to be on how to save humanity from destroying itself here within the century. Not looking to colonise the stars.

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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Errr. I think by 2400 we’ve got every chance of living in the ruins of a past grand human civilization. Trillion is nice sci fi. 10,000 years in the future with any recognizable civilization is even more of a stretch.

400 years is nothing. I mean, climate change is real and could be very damaging, but what aside from that and war - why do you think we’ll be living amongst ruins? That seems overly pessimistic to me.

Water is already running out in many areas of the world. Rains are failing worldwide.

No water = no food. Where millions perhaps billions of people are on the move, societies will break down. Look what is happening on the European and US borders and the hysteria it generates when the migration is but a trickle of what is to come.

Yes humanity and technology is moving forward at record speeds, but at what cost to the world majority? To the environment.

I think by 2400 is a rather optimistic figure, it is likely to be much sooner

Re: What life could be like for civilizations 1 trillion years from now

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post #54

This goes together nicely with the Aestivation Hypothesis ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.03394 ). If a civilisation puts itself on hold for a trillion years, just waiting around doing nothing, then when it wakes up the universe is much colder and it can do computations 10^30 times more efficiently. If the civilization consists of minds running on computers then they've increased their own lifespans by the same factor.

The background temperature of the universe now an trillion years from now is not significantly different. It's 2.73 Kelvins today. Even if it goes very close to zero, that's not a big difference.

If you halve the temperature in kelvin, you double the number of calculations you can do.
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