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Bitcoin Bloodbath Nears Dot-Com Levels as Many Tokens Go to Zero

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#21

This is really clickbaity. The title implies Bitcoin just rapidly fell in value. It's been slowly declining all year, and is still nearly 10x where it was last year.

Going from 20k to 5k seems like a crash to me...

A crash implies you came down from somewhere. Bitcoin came from a price of zero. The 20k peak was just price discovery fueled by mindless speculation for a brand new asset. It will keep settling down, but I highly doubt it will ever be worth less than its value a few years ago again.

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#22

This is really clickbaity. The title implies Bitcoin just rapidly fell in value. It's been slowly declining all year, and is still nearly 10x where it was last year.

It's serious for miners, if I remember correctly - bitcoin is only profitable at ~7000$. But it's quite a bit below that now.

As miners withdraw and go bust the effort declines and the fees adjust until it becomes profitable again.

It's a clever aggregate system. Bitcoin is always worth what it costs to get it, which at root is relative to the aggregate effort deployed in the bitcoin system in 10 minutes.

10 minutes is a 'turn' in Bitcoin. Everything is relative to what can be done in that amount of time. Perhaps the inventor was an old school D&D player.

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#23
post #20

According to such articles bitcoin has been crashing for nearly 10 years. The problem often being it being compared to other assets. It's a totally new concept and has never followed any previous pattern in human history.

Bloomberg must have some interest against Bitcoin. There has been constant negative coverage from Bloomberg for months if not years. I haven’t seen anything like this from any other publication.

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#24
Almost immediately after this article was published, the BTC price jumped 8.72% : https://coinmarketcap.com/

Crypto market caps move rapidly in either direction. They're extremely volatile. And this is nothing new. BTC has had much bigger dips before (% wise) and it will have more peaks and valleys as time goes on.

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post #3

Hmm, I'm not sure this will end cryptocurrencies but I think it might make some of the less tech-savvy users really think about their investments and who is giving them what advice. I have a small holding that I've held for a while now and I like that but when BTC/ETH was reaching their highs and I had non-tech people buying into it because "it has to go up" had me rolling my eyes. It almost feels like people that ar…

Never invest in something you don't understand.

Which apparently is the psychology of others.

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#27

I have no idea if this will end the madness but I hope it will. Given bitcoin's vast energy consumption, the "production" of bitcoins produces enough pollution to be responsible for a significant number of deaths, amortized. [1] Thus I have zero sympathy with those who may lose money here. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/shermanlee/2018/04/19/bitcoins-...

The next halvening is in May 2020. When the miner reward shrinks energy consumption will also shrink unless the price increases. So far the price increases outweigh the reward decreases, but Bitcoin has a built-in mechanism to force miners to become more efficient over time.

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post #8

I have no idea if this will end the madness but I hope it will. Given bitcoin's vast energy consumption, the "production" of bitcoins produces enough pollution to be responsible for a significant number of deaths, amortized. [1] Thus I have zero sympathy with those who may lose money here. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/shermanlee/2018/04/19/bitcoins-...

I've spit-balled this with some coworkers- but- I think that conceptually, the idea of our world cooking because of block chain is a great idea for a sci fi.

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#29

This is really clickbaity. The title implies Bitcoin just rapidly fell in value. It's been slowly declining all year, and is still nearly 10x where it was last year.

It's serious for miners, if I remember correctly - bitcoin is only profitable at ~7000$. But it's quite a bit below that now.

The profitability for Bitcoin production largely depends on power pricing. Here's one country-average based breakdown (from Feb 2018) - you can look at the $6000 down level to see where it's still profitable: https://cointelegraph.com/news/mining-margins-and-where-to-m...

You can also use a mining calculator to do a real time spot-check of whether Bitcoin is profitable to mine or not as well (even if you have pretty average electricity prices, very much so): http://whattomine.com/asic?utf8=%E2%9C%93&sha256f=true

For those interested in the most accurate and in-depth analysis on the economics, power consumption, and other aspects of Bitcoin mining, I can highly recommend @mrb's writeups like http://blog.zorinaq.com/bitcoin-electricity-consumption/ and http://blog.zorinaq.com/morgan-stanley-bitcoin-research-repo...

Note that the original article/title is pretty flawed to begin with since there are no tokens that depend on Bitcoin mining to begin with! (90% of tokens by market-cap are based on Ethereum, mining which is even more profitable than Bitcoin, and the economics of which will be changing drastically w/ Casper V2 soon).

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#30

Hmm, I'm not sure this will end cryptocurrencies but I think it might make some of the less tech-savvy users really think about their investments and who is giving them what advice. I have a small holding that I've held for a while now and I like that but when BTC/ETH was reaching their highs and I had non-tech people buying into it because "it has to go up" had me rolling my eyes. It almost feels like people that ar…

My long-time financial advisor has a fantastic saying: "I like to buy low, and sell high!" It's amazing how tempting it is to do the opposite. Wow, thing X has tripled, let's get into that. No!
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