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Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Post by alex7o »

m0llusk wrote: post #92

Hacker News reading can be an especially pernicious and problematic addiction. Seriously, often in the startup world I find software engineers with TODO lists spanning space and time compulsively reading and scanning the HN front page. Oh, look: cannabis users addicted, dopamine rush. Altruistic punishment means an immediate boost to social status and opportunities for bonding. So who exactly is addicted to what agai…

You know theoretically you can be addicted to anything, and sometimes one addiction can help with another one.

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Post by bonesss »

Baeocystin wrote: post #46
lightbyte wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>withdrawal from opiates ... can actually kill you Opioid withdrawal is actually not fatal at all barring potential dehydration from excessive diarrhea/vomiting.

I edited that out. Apparently most opiate related deaths during withdrawal are due to a person wanting 'one last hit', but choosing a dose that they no longer have the tolerance for.

A potent argument for legalization of opiates, IMO.

Something as simple as concentration percentages on packaging, as we have with booze, and smart usage pamphlets could save a lot of lives.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Post by hsienmaneja »

Baeocystin wrote: post #97
hsienmaneja wrote: post #51

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If someone is self medicating with pot, and pot is making their lives worse (which is the case for some users), the pot is a problem in and of itself. Drug culture itself is riddled with such booby traps. Fallaious street wisdom backed by egos and peer pressure are powerful tools to indoctrinate a child into an unexpected lifetime of addiction to substances such as pot.

>Fallaious street wisdom backed by egos and peer pressure That's what I am trying to get at- problems stem from earlier sources. Whether someone eventually gets hooked on something is a consequence of earlier failure. Whatever drug/habit is ultimately picked up in the aftermath is a genuine negative, which will have its own particulars. But it is not the initial causative agent. This is an important distinction to ma…

No, drug use isn’t consistently picked up in the aftermath of disaster. It’s often near the beginning, and lubricates destructive behavior, even pot.

Pot absolutely catalyzes issues in people’s lives. Many would be far better off not using it at all.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Post by hsienmaneja »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #93
hsienmaneja wrote: post #87

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I bet with further research done properly (which will take decades starting now) we will find that pot use from an early age is not only correlated to diminished quality of life for some, but is a contributing underlying factor enough to tip scales for some. Michael Phelps can down McDonald’s but some are better off limiting their fast food intake. Everyone reacts differently to different arrangements of chemicals in…

None of this makes it physically addictive, which is the only issue I'm making. Mental addiction can also be terrible, and can cause the issues described.

Well, the pot physical addiction debate is where we started.

If people experience significant physical withdrawal symptoms from cessation of pot use (which seems to be the case for some), then for those people, it absolutely is physically addicting.

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Post by hunter23 »

evo_9 wrote: post #53

It's hard for me to relate to this. I smoke daily, and probably what most would consider a lot. I however also travel for work and or other reasons and often go days or a week without smoking. It has no noticeable effect on me. It could be because I'm extremely active and fit. I workout basically 7 days a week, mostly because I do a lot of intense stuff 'for fun' (aka, play hockey 3-4 days a week, etc). I'm not sayin…

This is literally the most pseudoscience I've seen at the top of a HN post.

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Post by Baeocystin »

hsienmaneja wrote: post #104
Baeocystin wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Fallaious street wisdom backed by egos and peer pressure That's what I am trying to get at- problems stem from earlier sources. Whether someone eventually gets hooked on something is a consequence of earlier failure. Whatever drug/habit is ultimately picked up in the aftermath is a genuine negative, which will have its own particulars. But it is not the initial causative agent. This is an important distinction to ma…

No, drug use isn’t consistently picked up in the aftermath of disaster. It’s often near the beginning, and lubricates destructive behavior, even pot. Pot absolutely catalyzes issues in people’s lives. Many would be far better off not using it at all.

>It’s often near the beginning, and lubricates destructive behavior, even pot

I think we are talking past each other. I fully agree that many would be better off never using anything at all.

My point is that by the time someone gets to the point where drugs/gambling/addiction can act as a destructive catalyst, they're already well on their way to a negative future due to earlier causes.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Post by Baeocystin »

bonesss wrote: post #103
Baeocystin wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I edited that out. Apparently most opiate related deaths during withdrawal are due to a person wanting 'one last hit', but choosing a dose that they no longer have the tolerance for.

A potent argument for legalization of opiates, IMO. Something as simple as concentration percentages on packaging, as we have with booze, and smart usage pamphlets could save a lot of lives.

I don't disagree. I think Portugal's experiment has proven that decriminalization is the best path forward pretty conclusively.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Post by inks »

Zooper wrote: post #89
tzar wrote: post #59

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How long have you been smoking daily? From the article: > Unlike with opioids and stimulants, marijuana dependence tends to develop slowly: Months or years may pass before symptoms begin to affect a dependent user’s life. The case is similar with alcohol dependence: it can take quite a long time.

It's also worth noting that this "Addiction" that takes so long to develop goes away in about 1-2 weeks.

Most addictions “go away” in about 1-2 weeks. Even opiate addiction goes away after a max of a week, it’s the psychological effects that last unlike say benzodiazepine which has a recovery time measured in years.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Post by zepto »

merinowool wrote: post #82

You can spot propaganda piece by the language they use. "Marijuana", "addiction"... 9% is nothing new and generally accepted value. Comparing to alcohol dependency, cannabis dependency has dramatically lower health risks and sometimes is actually beneficial (self medication)

You speak as though most people who take up cannabis are aware of a 10% risk of addiction. Perhaps this ‘generally accepted value’ should be added to the marijuana advertising just to make sure.
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