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Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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> “She told me to come back home. So I did,” Pohl said. “At the time, I wasn’t sure why she did that. I was still in that whole miserable phase, smoking at least an ounce of weed a week — two ounces on a good week.”

Yikes. You can do just fine on one gram a month at today’s potency. Two ounces a week is 8 grams a day.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That you experience significant physical withdrawal symptoms from marijuana certainty calls into question the street wisdom that pot isn’t (physically) addicting.

Sure, but nearly anything that causes a chemical change can be physically addicting right? Once your brain starts equalizing for whatever imbalances are being created.

By that definition, hydration is addiction.

Refined carbohydrates (sugar, flour) are definitely addictive. If you have the normal modern diet full of sugar and flour and you quit them cold turkey, you will be sick and miserable for a few days, while your body adjusts. And if you quit carbs enough to go into ketosis, and then "cheat", you'll be right back on the insulin-spike bandwagon. (This is not to be construed as an argument in favor of keto diets, or against carbs!) And unlike water, your body does not need refined sugar or grains. You can live just fine on meats and vegetables.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Throwaway because obviously the stigma. But yes, it's very real. I am addicted to marijuana. I smoke nearly 3 grams a day; what has become a $1000+/month habit. I've always loved weed but the high salary has allowed me to lose control. I can't sleep or eat without it. Within 24 hours without weed I become an intolerable asshole who cannot eat or sleep. When I do sleep without it, it's full of nightmares and I wake up…

People don't wake up with nightmares and covered in sweat if they don't have a cheeseburger in the last 24 hours.

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Or it's a combination of mental addiction and the placebo effect. The ritual has become such an important part of their life, that when they remove it their anxiety causes a physical reaction based on their concept of withdrawl.

This isn’t the reality for all. Not everyone remains productive like Seth Rogen when perpetually stoned. Many people waste away their lives stoned and the problem seems to be getting worse while the quality of pot skyrockets to all time highs.

Many people waste their lives away with a wide variety of things, that doesn't make them physically addictive. Mentally addictive yes, but that's a separate thing.

The country is going through a mental health problem, there are numerous signs of this. Marijuana is one of the poor ways that people deal with this, but it's not the cause of the issue.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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post #28
post #6

Throwaway because obviously the stigma. But yes, it's very real. I am addicted to marijuana. I smoke nearly 3 grams a day; what has become a $1000+/month habit. I've always loved weed but the high salary has allowed me to lose control. I can't sleep or eat without it. Within 24 hours without weed I become an intolerable asshole who cannot eat or sleep. When I do sleep without it, it's full of nightmares and I wake up…

>Within 24 hours without weed I become an intolerable asshole I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest the underlying problem might not be the weed.

"24 hours without antipsychotics and I become schizophrenic".

"I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest the underlying problem might not be the antipsychotics".

See the problem with your phrasing?

Lots of people deal with anxiety, anger management, and other relatively mild psychological malfunctions by self-medicating (or prescription medicating) with THC. That's why it gets prescribed as medication for these things. THC is effective in many cases, with very few side effects, relative to other medications.

I have friends who are "marijuana addicts", who are pretty horrible to be around when they're not stoned, but fine when they are. They can be social and do their jobs. So, um, what's wrong with that? I am quite happy for them.

edit: I should add that there's this Puritan tendency to treat things like anger management issues as a moral failing rather than a medical problem. So medicating rather than moralizing is seen as a character flaw. Personally, I deal with ADD. I've been formally diagnosed, and it's measurable and measured. I don't medicate for it and I pay a price for that - it puts limits on my activities and decisions, to shield my life from the problems ADD can cause. I don't medicate because the medication has caused side effects that were worse than the condition, for me. If I thought THC would help me deal with my ADD (it doesn't), I'd be out fighting for a prescription.

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Actually, the notion that pot isn’t addictive is the street wisdom, or was when I was growing up. This is in contradiction to the reality.

> Actually, the notion that pot isn’t addictive is the street wisdom, or was when I was growing up. This is in contradiction to the reality. No, it's not in contradiction to reality; it's the results of clinical research. To the extent that "addiction" is a relevant term in colloquial use (it's neither a DSM-IV diagnostic criterion nor a formal pharmacological term), marijuana is not known to induce practically signi…

Copy that. Getting into semantics, from the descriptions here, one could describe the withdrawal symptoms to be physically/practically significant for some cowards.

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post #53

It's hard for me to relate to this. I smoke daily, and probably what most would consider a lot. I however also travel for work and or other reasons and often go days or a week without smoking. It has no noticeable effect on me. It could be because I'm extremely active and fit. I workout basically 7 days a week, mostly because I do a lot of intense stuff 'for fun' (aka, play hockey 3-4 days a week, etc). I'm not sayin…

"I only smoke Sativa"

Devinitively a factor in my experience. Sativa usually makes more active, indica more stoned...

But it is also about personality.

I could not smoke everyday. There are times when I do, but that only works to a certain point and then I have to stop, or I would not do anything at all anymore.

Persons close to me actually smoked themself to death this way.

My main takeaway is, if my mind is thinking a lot about ganja, then it is too much. I like to do things. And quite some activitys can be improved being high, but it should be about the activitys, not the smoke. When the focus goes to smoking for the sake of smoking ... then it is wrong in my experience. But you seem to be doing it the right way...

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That you experience significant physical withdrawal symptoms from marijuana certainty calls into question the street wisdom that pot isn’t (physically) addicting.

There is one important difference: withdrawal from something like alcohol can actually kill you. Withdrawal from marijuana makes you an irritable asshole for a week or two. The hardest part is understanding and coping with the issue that drives the user to use marijuana so heavily in the first place. If it can be understood what need the marijuana use is providing for, changing use patterns becomes possible.

Marijuana abused to self medicate is frankly cheaper than paying for mental health medication and therapy. It's also fast acting and has only minor negative side effects as opposed to taking several weeks to take effect and for any negative side effects (these can be rather bothersome or bad) to go away. Not to mention that's if that particular medication works for you. Going through several types, change in doses, etc can go on for a year or more easily.

In my experience however, withdrawal only takes a few days, I don't recall being any more irritable than before except that marijuana makes me less prone to irritations to begin with, and the thing that's the worst is the boredom.

It's what do you do with your time? Work can keep you occupied and busy, but at home the activities you are likely going to do you did with marijuana. Video games and television/movies are harder to 'feel' interested in. Eating high is just really enjoyable. And trying to sleep is difficult especially when you know you could just smoke some pot and drift off instead of being too bored and restless to sleep.

Re: Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

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post #53

It's hard for me to relate to this. I smoke daily, and probably what most would consider a lot. I however also travel for work and or other reasons and often go days or a week without smoking. It has no noticeable effect on me. It could be because I'm extremely active and fit. I workout basically 7 days a week, mostly because I do a lot of intense stuff 'for fun' (aka, play hockey 3-4 days a week, etc). I'm not sayin…

The article says that this sort of heavy use can be measured in oz/wk, with 1-2 oz/wk being quite a lot. I am the heaviest cannabis consumer of my peers, and I barely consume a quarter oz/wk. It sounds like addicts are much heavier users!

On the other hand, tobacco smokers can be addicts at 1-2 cigs/day, but not necessarily chain-smoking 1-2 pks/day like the most-addicted smokers. Perhaps there's a continuum.

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post #53

It's hard for me to relate to this. I smoke daily, and probably what most would consider a lot. I however also travel for work and or other reasons and often go days or a week without smoking. It has no noticeable effect on me. It could be because I'm extremely active and fit. I workout basically 7 days a week, mostly because I do a lot of intense stuff 'for fun' (aka, play hockey 3-4 days a week, etc). I'm not sayin…

How long have you been smoking daily? From the article: > Unlike with opioids and stimulants, marijuana dependence tends to develop slowly: Months or years may pass before symptoms begin to affect a dependent user’s life. The case is similar with alcohol dependence: it can take quite a long time.

I suspect once a day use isn't enough to cause serious dependency (for most people), so long as it isn't being used for self medication. I suspect physical dependency probably results from use as a teenager (when the brain is changing rapidly) or from near constant use, such that your body/brain begins to treat the chemical changes as a baseline and adjust for them.
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