Lies, deception, intimidation, what's next? Is this America of the 21st century?
Yes. 20th as well.
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#12tl; dr: 1. ICE [Immigration Control] planned to raid Oakland for illegal immigrants. 2. Somehow, Oakland's mayor found out and warned the community (Oakland, SF, and California are very pro-immigrant). This obviously gave opportunity for some immigrants to elude the raid. 3. Feeling undermined, Jeff sessions claimed that "ICE failed to make 800 arrests" because of the mayor's statement. 4. James Schwab, who this arti…
aren't arrest quotas for law enforcement illegal in most countries?
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#14Lies, deception, intimidation, what's next? Is this America of the 21st century?
Yes. 20th as well.
People seem to easily forget the American government reaction to the civil rights movement, anti-Vietnam War movement, and so much more. Violence, coercion, intimidation and breaking its own laws without consequence are the American modus operandi. How did fire-hosing, beating, jailing and murdering black people not prove this? How about tear gas and dogs being let loose on protesting students? The conduct of the FBI during the Red Scare? Iran Contra?
How about what Snowden revealed? Torture after 9-11?
A little time passes and people get back to calling anyone who thinks that a militarize police force isn’t a good thing un-American and kooky.
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#15> Before the surprise visit, Schwab told Yuccas that both the Obama and Trump White Houses asked him to "spin" information. If they would talk about how "both sides of the aisle" were doing this, it would make it non-partisan, more news outlets would discuss it, and maybe there would be actions taken.
> If they would talk about how "both sides of the aisle" were doing this, it would make it non-partisan
He told the reporter that never before had he been asked to actually lie.
There is a difference between truthful statements that deflect attention from one place to another and outright lies (be they lies of omission or commission), and it would be a counterfactual interpretation of the interview to report he said both sides of the aisle asked him to lie. They didn’t. That’s why he resigned, because this was something new and different and serious.
[edit to add the quotation for context]
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#16Lies, deception, intimidation, what's next? Is this America of the 21st century?
Intimidation tactics like this is how these organizations operate in situations like this. It's been this way for a long time. Read up on the CIA and FBI getting in each other's way in the Hoover era. They pulled all sorts of crap like this. It's not every former administration has been standing in the way of behavior like this and now suddenly the floodgates are open and the departments in the executive branch feel…
Yeah, I'm not surprised by DHS at all here.
I do think it's less subtle as POTUS has made it very clear he has zero qualms with lying routinely about almost everything, and with strongarm tactics and intimidation. But the culture of secrecy, intimidation, and public misdirection has been there from the beginning, and not just by happenstance but by necessity. If you can convince yourself, as a member of DHS/CIA/FBI/etc. that whatever project you're working on (like, say, wiretapping MLK) is for National Security, then the ends justify the means.
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#19Lies, deception, intimidation, what's next? Is this America of the 21st century?
Intimidation tactics like this is how these organizations operate in situations like this. It's been this way for a long time. Read up on the CIA and FBI getting in each other's way in the Hoover era. They pulled all sorts of crap like this. It's not every former administration has been standing in the way of behavior like this and now suddenly the floodgates are open and the departments in the executive branch feel…
>Edit: I know that lunch hour in CA is exactly the wrong time to post something like this but please actually try and refute something I'm saying instead of mashing the downvote button like you're on Reddit. We're supposed to be able to have adult discussion around here.
Not sure why you are sneering at CA. Californians are just as American as the rest of the country, and in this case the issue at hand was in California.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. 20th as well.
People seem to easily forget the American government reaction to the civil rights movement, anti-Vietnam War movement, and so much more. Violence, coercion, intimidation and breaking its own laws without consequence are the American modus operandi. How did fire-hosing, beating, jailing and murdering black people not prove this? How about tear gas and dogs being let loose on protesting students? The conduct of the FBI…
We need an “are we the baddies” moment.