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Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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When I was taking driver's ed as a teenager the instructor showed us a video that illustrated a driver's gaze from the first person as they drove using a small circle. The difference between a skilled, competent driver and a student was that the competent driver only fixated on things that were likely to matter. So mostly their gaze was on the vehicle in front of them, followed by any place that could hold moving obj…

It's the same with everything. After a while, in college, one learns what the important things to pay attention to are in class, and what aren't. It makes one a much more efficient learner.

Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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Some people perform better under pressure, but for someone else it might be the opposite. The trick is to identify what makes you go into the zone. Then trigger it with some imagination, or actually putting yourself in that kind of situation.

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My own, albeit limited, experience is that quiet eye is flow state. I think the main problem here is that so many of us pick one field of endeavor in our lives and we don’t spend enough time trying to excel at more than one thing to notice that the feeling of being in the groove and kicking ass are the same across a wide field of experiences and activities. I even experienced it once in a yoga class. Last day the ins…

"Would be nice to have more tools to get into that state."

I'm with you on this sentiment. But I feel like the point of a lot of meditative and yogic practice is to give us those tools. At the very least, that practice has made me feel that the process is learn-able and repeat-able.

I also agree that one issue is our narrow fields of endeavor. I play perform music, ride mountain bike trails, write, program... all of these will allow me to get into a flow state in one way or another. These flow states are all similar, but require different triggers and processes.

What's been helpful to me is recognizing that ritual and paying close attention to how / what I am thinking while I prepare and practice these things all have similar modes.

In the last 6 months I've started doing a lot more yoga, and the ritualistic nature of the practice has made that mental process a lot easier to observe. So now I try and develop patterns in my practices: specific singing exercises, a specific piano warmup, always having the same process for kitting out and checking out the bike before a ride, trying to keep a similar schedule and order for my workday, etc.

As to your comment about addiction, I've been doing a daily bit of kudalini yoga for the last couple of months and although I am not sure of the mechanism it evokes a psychedelic response in me (low-intensity visual hallucinations). Putting aside the short-lived nature of that response, so far it's reminded me of the patterns of addiction around those kinds of drugs: a) unless you do something really too much, these aren't bad results, and b) when there are bad results it's very easy to just say "clearly the aliens telling me to stop are right, and I don't need to keep doing these kinds of things to my brain" and move on to different mental exercises ;) . It's not like the times in my life when I was drinking heavily out of a sense that it was a "good idea" (tm), when in fact I was really being disfunctional.

Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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When I was taking driver's ed as a teenager the instructor showed us a video that illustrated a driver's gaze from the first person as they drove using a small circle. The difference between a skilled, competent driver and a student was that the competent driver only fixated on things that were likely to matter. So mostly their gaze was on the vehicle in front of them, followed by any place that could hold moving obj…

I agree. I have long thought that a large part of learning to drive is learning where to look and when.

Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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When I was taking driver's ed as a teenager the instructor showed us a video that illustrated a driver's gaze from the first person as they drove using a small circle. The difference between a skilled, competent driver and a student was that the competent driver only fixated on things that were likely to matter. So mostly their gaze was on the vehicle in front of them, followed by any place that could hold moving obj…

Your eyes should be scanning at all times. Those 'experienced' drivers have literal blind spots and are likely to enter a mental state akin to a sleep state.

A book on safe driving I read said in normal driving your eyes should mainly be on the car ahead, and every 5 or 10 seconds glance at your mirrors to see what else is going on and also do a broader scan. And of course in different circumstances like turning, you should look around much more.

Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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I've been practicing martial art for just over a decade now, no means world class, but one idiom I teach is "slow is smooth, smooth is fast", and generally tell students to slow down. We (people) get worked up and excited and anxious the second anything stressful happens. As we get worked up, we get tunnel-vision and things like "wheel spinning" (trying anything without consideration of if it helps) start. With music…

What martial art ?

Aikido and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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What are actions one can take to train this?

I'm not an expert, but I do competitive shotgun shooting -- one thing that I find is essential is to... not blink, and have your eyes open.

Sounds funny, but it's part of my 'routine' as I wait for the clay disk to appear; after all the stance bits etc etc, when I'm ready, I'm making sure to open my eyes wide, defocus on where I expect the clay to 'appear' and then, call "pull".

Then stuff happens that I'm not entirely aware off for the next 1/2s -- well, until afterward. As soon as I 'see' a shadow of a clay everything happens and I'm a bit of a 'passenger' until the shot is away. You see the clay in slow motion as you mount the gun from your low holding position, while rotating, and when it's on your shoulder as you rotate you do adjustments 'just so' and shoot.

And it works a LOT better if you let the autopilot do it, if you try to 'measure' stuff, you'll miss, guaranteed.

Worst case is when the sun is in the way and you have to 'squint' and the really worst case is when the clay goes from shadow to sunlight (or the other way around) as you know your retina is going to be laggy.

Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's not incumbent on the student or athlete to develop it, it is the sign of a good teacher Its more a sign of both - the student's willingness to adjust and the teacher's willingness to refine. The reason I say both is that you run into students that have a better chance of picking something up right away (prior experience) and others that do not. The student that does not have that prior experience still needs i…

Excellent, will check that book out. Something I've noticed in my own life is practicing mastery in one area creates learnings and attitudes that aid in mastery in another area. The actual skills are not there, but the ability to navigate the learning terrain is. Many facts I thought about myself (eg. I'm unathletic) were simply assumptions I made somewhere early on in my life, perhaps because I lacked prior experien…

Unless we want to go into an all night drinking philosophical discussion - I'd say its a combination of nature and nurture (though how "unconscious" is nature would be the drinking topic). There's a great article the argues that practice isn't enough [1]. It will be incredibly difficult for me to become a professional basketball player, even with practice. I'm too old, bad knees, and 5'9" (again, Mugsy Bugs was 5'3"... possible but difficult nonetheless).

[1] Deliberate practice: Is that all it takes to become an expert - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289613...

I think as we become more experienced in something, we draw from that to make metaphors to another domain (no paper link, but I'm sure there a psych one out there I've yet to read). My current research is inspired by my years in martial arts. I draw analogies from it because I see the parallels to CS - poor retention rates, difficult subject matter, etc.

A long time ago I determined I was not a genius, rock star, pro athlete, whatever person. I'm just a guy that works really hard to be better than myself.

Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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When I was taking driver's ed as a teenager the instructor showed us a video that illustrated a driver's gaze from the first person as they drove using a small circle. The difference between a skilled, competent driver and a student was that the competent driver only fixated on things that were likely to matter. So mostly their gaze was on the vehicle in front of them, followed by any place that could hold moving obj…

My driving instructor (in the car) is really against this. He talked about becoming fixated on the car in front of you and then lots can go wrong.

Re: Why athletes need a ‘quiet eye’

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When I was taking driver's ed as a teenager the instructor showed us a video that illustrated a driver's gaze from the first person as they drove using a small circle. The difference between a skilled, competent driver and a student was that the competent driver only fixated on things that were likely to matter. So mostly their gaze was on the vehicle in front of them, followed by any place that could hold moving obj…

This is a pretty universal thing in complex tasks. As you get used to things and your brain translates them into familiar patterns, they take less effort to anticipate (or produce,) so you can string lots of them together without being overwhelmed. Like when you see a piece of piano music that seems to be completely black from so many notes. Or when you watch olympic diving and wonder how a person is going to go from doing a perfectly still handstand 10m up, to launching into multiple flips and then somehow be calm enough by the bottom to think about not splashing at the end.

So you learn to recognize the set of signage you're expecting in a given pattern, and you recognize where the likely spots are for surprises, or you remember to watch for heads in the cars along the side so you know if someone's about to open a door.

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