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Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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post #51

Everyone at one point has made a comment that has been downvoted or moderated out of existence. The rejection sticks in your mind. Effectively, that is censorship.

Maybe you take internet points entirely too seriously. If you find that getting downvoted has emotionally wounded you, I recommend abandoning all your accounts and creating new ones with zero karma (presumably much less than your old ones.) This will teach you to disassociate internet points from your sense of self-worth.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

#82
post #43

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Clinton campaign did not do the same thing. All they did was elephant and donkey for the conventions. Looks like it the rights victim complex again.

They got a custom icon.

But not a custom icon as part of an attack ad calling one of the candidates a criminal. There is a subtle difference.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

#83
post #78

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You're submitting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks.

Would you assume I'm right-wing if I do not use politically correct terminology? Will slowing down change my world-view or simply the language I use to express it?

It wasn't directed at your post, sorry. It's the rate-limit response HN gives - users who are "slow-banned" see it on posting more than 1 post every 5 minutes. Another form of censorship, as others can post when you cannot.

As to your specific points:

> Would you assume I'm right-wing if I do not use politically correct terminology?

Frankly, yes. Politically correct speech appears to be today's shibboleth[0].

> Will slowing down change my world-view or simply the language I use to express it?

Slowing down a poster will reduce their ability to express their viewpoint, diluting it among other posters.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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I can fully believe that. Try for instance to have a discussion here on hacker news about the less fortunate sides of diversity initiatives. Then see how many minutes it takes before your entire thread is flagged and effectively censored.

I am actually surprised by what appears to be HN's explicit censorship of this topic. Just two days ago this NYT editorial [1] was on the front page of HN with 20+ upvotes IIRC, and before there were more than 1 or 2 comments the post was deleted and unviewable. (And didn't show up as flagged either -- just totally deleted.) I'm not sure how many people on HN are aware of what appears to be admin censorship of this t…

The post is there, just flagged. Had plenty of (mostly terrible) discussion.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

#85

I lean conservative, but to be honest, I assign only a small portion of the blame to social media giants. Their office areas and leadership certainly lean left-wing, but I don't think that's the main issue. I think the biggest contributor is just that left-leaning people are more likely to be offended by right-leaning views. As a result, even an entirely neutral algorithm focused on retention / user satisfaction will…

Conservatives do seem to see themselves as people who don’t get offended.

I wonder what causes that.

There seems to be an idea that the things that offend them are, like, “naturally” abhorrent, so it’s not offense so much as, like... digust in satanic things, virtue in “common sense”, etc. There’s a whole language to talk about things that carefully avoids the concept of “being offended”.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

#86
post #78

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You're submitting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks.

Would you assume I'm right-wing if I do not use politically correct terminology? Will slowing down change my world-view or simply the language I use to express it?

I think you misread that post. He was quoting HN's forced cooldown that's imposed if the system thinks you're in some sort of heated flamewar. I assume he means to suggest this is a form of soft censorship tied into the internet points system (which is to say, it seems like he's agreeing with you.)

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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I thought there's some pretty robust discussion about people who feel shafted by diversity initiatives. I do feel that anyone who speaks in a hot-headed way gets penalized on Hacker News, and I think that's great. There were a few big recent HN discussions on the matter -- are there clear instances of what you mean on the whole?

It seems to me that there’s some middle area where the person doesn’t understand Bay Area culture but they’re not being rude or hot headed, and yet their genuine questions get downvoted. I do think there’s some kind of “you can’t discuss that” attitudes on here about certain topics. Diversity stuff is an area I can imagine reasonable and even good comments getting downvoted. Sadly I don’t have any sources, but this i…

Downvotes aren't 'censorship'.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

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I lean conservative, but to be honest, I assign only a small portion of the blame to social media giants. Their office areas and leadership certainly lean left-wing, but I don't think that's the main issue. I think the biggest contributor is just that left-leaning people are more likely to be offended by right-leaning views. As a result, even an entirely neutral algorithm focused on retention / user satisfaction will…

> I think the biggest contributor is just that left-leaning people are more likely to be offended by right-leaning views. More likely to have empathy is another way to phrase that.

If you're looking to troll, "more likely to be offended by rationality" is another way to phrase it.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

#89
post #86
post #78

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Would you assume I'm right-wing if I do not use politically correct terminology? Will slowing down change my world-view or simply the language I use to express it?

I think you misread that post. He was quoting HN's forced cooldown that's imposed if the system thinks you're in some sort of heated flamewar. I assume he means to suggest this is a form of soft censorship tied into the internet points system (which is to say, it seems like he's agreeing with you.)

Oh I see. Did not realize, thank you for pointing that out. I was merely trying to have a philosophical discussion by taking a controversial viewpoint.

Re: Most Americans Think Facebook and Twitter Censor Their Political Views

#90
post #87

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It seems to me that there’s some middle area where the person doesn’t understand Bay Area culture but they’re not being rude or hot headed, and yet their genuine questions get downvoted. I do think there’s some kind of “you can’t discuss that” attitudes on here about certain topics. Diversity stuff is an area I can imagine reasonable and even good comments getting downvoted. Sadly I don’t have any sources, but this i…

Downvotes aren't 'censorship'.

In and of themselves, no. However, I think an argument could be made for the visual suppression of posts, which occurs after too many downvotes have been given, being a form of soft censorship. The information is still broadcast but it's made impossible to read unless I copy/paste it or tilt my screen to an extreme angle.
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