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The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by slazaro »

bradford wrote: post #294
andrei_says_ wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not spying on me and not transmitting unknown to me personal information to unknown parties would be a killer feature. I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger and submits all my activity to all major governments (maybe only one today and “all” in a few years when my data gets sold, shared or stolen). This is a serious issue for me.

disclaimer: MS employee, this is solely my opinion Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest? (By those regulations, MS is required, under penalty of very large fines, to not do what you are accusing them of doing.)

> Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest?

If the company starts doing things right ONLY after there's some legislation making the wrong thing illegal, what does that tell you about the company?

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by ionised »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #397
andrei_says_ wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not spying on me and not transmitting unknown to me personal information to unknown parties would be a killer feature. I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger and submits all my activity to all major governments (maybe only one today and “all” in a few years when my data gets sold, shared or stolen). This is a serious issue for me.

This issue comes again and again, I'm getting really tired of this "issue". After all this time this is the top comment, while discussing a really good convertible? He mentions that people don't trust Windows for savely restoring their session, but if i'm not mistaking, it's Ubuntu ( i think) that had such a bug for a VERY long time ( https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321399 ). I have never heard such proble…

> It's measuring activities and performance yes, it's not stealing your information. Ubuntu did it too and even integrated Amazon in the search field.

Not sure why you think that is a justification. People weren't happy about that either.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by ionised »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #425
hactually wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, but please respond with comments and not with (too much) downvotes. Probably due to the fact that you're using whataboutism[1] as a defence rather than tackling the fact that Windows does log user activity and report it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I mentioned what Windows does and talked about something else i can compare. My relevant point was : It's measuring activities and performance yes, it's not stealing your information as the user activity is also anonymous. I don't see you making a relevant comment though.

> My relevant point was : It's measuring activities and performance yes, it's not stealing your information as the user activity is also anonymous.

Firstly, how do you know it is truly anonymous? And is this anonymisation being done on the users machine, or one Microsoft's servers? If the latter, MS has access to unanonymised data.

Secondly, cross-referenced with other 'anonymised' data sets it is quite possible to de-anonymise people. I'm not convinced there is any such thing as a truly anonymous data set anymore, not when it comes to data collected from a users device.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by ionised »

bradford wrote: post #403
andrei_says_ wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will, after I see MS getting caught and going through a lawsuit which results in tools providing accountability.

MS already lets you see and delete what they collect on you at account.microsoft.com/privacy We did a lot of work to comply and provide these tools and people still think MS is part of some grand conspiracy.

> We did a lot of work to comply and provide these tools and people still think MS is part of some grand conspiracy.

Given Microsoft's history I'm not sure why you're surprised.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by hackujin »

dbetteridge wrote: post #353
hackujin wrote: post #255

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I just don't want to use Windows to test my code when production is in Linux. There are things all those tools do when running in Windows that is specific to Windows. And I'm not some anti-windows Microsoft hating guy. My main desktop is running Windows 10 and I was quite excited for WSL to come out so I had Windows 10 Insider Preview running on my machine for more than a year. But at the end of the day when I want t…

C:\Users\Windows Username\AppData\Local\lxss\home\WSL username\.ssh ? Unless i'm misunderstanding the issue

The file becomes invisible to WSL right after it gets edited in Windows. It's because it's doing weird tricks to associate UNIX permissions to files stored in Windows. The Windows app will break those permissions so instead of mitigating that in WSL it simply stops being able to "see" the file.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by wang_li »

coldtea wrote: post #415
wang_li wrote: post #211

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It does if your application state happens to include TCP connections. When Windows wakes, prior to powering up the NIC hardware, it sends all applications a notice indicating that the network is down so everything kills their network connections. This happens on my hardwired desktop. It's one thing if the device can potentially be roaming and changing networks while the system is asleep. But for a wired network conne…

> It does if your application state happens to include TCP connections. That's not really what's meant by state though...

It’s what I mean. Losing the TCP session is more or less the only thing I care about with my vpn, ssh, and occasional cifs session. A dead putty window is 98% useless.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by mark-r »

slazaro wrote: post #431
bradford wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

disclaimer: MS employee, this is solely my opinion Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest? (By those regulations, MS is required, under penalty of very large fines, to not do what you are accusing them of doing.)

> Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest? If the company starts doing things right ONLY after there's some legislation making the wrong thing illegal, what does that tell you about the company?

I think you're misreading the statement - he's implying that what they actually already do is in compliance.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by fortyseven »

makecheck wrote: post #103

It’s 2018 and I still see people walking around with Windows laptop lids open because they presumably have no confidence in Windows’ ability to sensibly preserve state after closing the lid. Software matters, and how it integrates with hardware. And I keep waiting for them to fix just the basics in Windows 10. Not utterly losing both the sizes and positions of all windows just because the laptop was undocked. Not fai…

I can't even turn off my friggin' monitor without Windows losing track of my window sizes. Baaaaah.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by kart23 »

ggm wrote: post #417

Apple don't want you to, but don't actually impede you installing native Linux. I believe the surface is locked hardware but I'd be delighted to be told I'm wrong.

No, they're equally bad in this respect. The newest MBP does not work well with linux (wifi, audio, etc), and this surface book seems like it also has a few problems with linux. If I could actually use linux on the newest MBP, I would've bought it in a heartbeat.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by pure-struggle »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #190
makecheck wrote: post #103

It’s 2018 and I still see people walking around with Windows laptop lids open because they presumably have no confidence in Windows’ ability to sensibly preserve state after closing the lid. Software matters, and how it integrates with hardware. And I keep waiting for them to fix just the basics in Windows 10. Not utterly losing both the sizes and positions of all windows just because the laptop was undocked. Not fai…

Not spying on me and not transmitting unknown to me personal information to unknown parties would be a killer feature. I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger and submits all my activity to all major governments (maybe only one today and “all” in a few years when my data gets sold, shared or stolen). This is a serious issue for me.

More Americans use Apple products. If anything the American Government would be more likely to target Apple products for domestic mass surveillance programs.
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