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Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by antpls »

remir wrote: post #87

Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Twitter: they grew to what they are today because each of them had people behind the wheel with a product mentality . This mentality attracted the capital and talent necessary to create products that resonated with people . Now, some would say that, these services had the goal to make money and that's why they attracted capital and could hire top talent, but it doesn't change the fact t…

You are comparing apples to oranges. Google, Facebook, WhatsApp are companies. Firefox and Linux Kernel are "software products". ActivityPub is an open proposition about a technical standard.

Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by icedchai »

Kiro wrote: post #164
icedchai wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you do instead? Ship it to them on CD?

They need to log in to access the information.

Sounds silly and inconvenient that you can't send their own info to their own email. Recommend you go back to what you did before. If you receive any GDPR letters, sort it out then.

Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by s73v3r_ »

kaishiro wrote: post #123
s73v3r_ wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? Aside from YouTube shows, one of the big things YouTube brought about was the ability for anyone to post a video online, even if it was just for friends and family. Saying, "Too bad, you're not popular so you don't get to have video hosting" is a huge step backwards.

Couldn't the original poster of said video be the one to seed it if it was so important to them that it be viewable to others. Why is the onus on a company or organization to host personal videos for free? (If I'm misrepresenting your stance feel free to call me on it - but that's what I'm taking away from your comment)

I'm not saying the onus should be on a company to do it for free. I'm saying that because that happened, it was one of the things that made online video really take off.

And, not everyone has the necessary stuff to be able to seed a video like that. A very large part of the world has their phone as their primary computing device. You're not gonna be able to seed a video from a phone on a cellular connection.

Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by remir »

antpls wrote: post #171
remir wrote: post #87

Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Twitter: they grew to what they are today because each of them had people behind the wheel with a product mentality . This mentality attracted the capital and talent necessary to create products that resonated with people . Now, some would say that, these services had the goal to make money and that's why they attracted capital and could hire top talent, but it doesn't change the fact t…

You are comparing apples to oranges. Google, Facebook, WhatsApp are companies. Firefox and Linux Kernel are "software products". ActivityPub is an open proposition about a technical standard.

Google, Facebook, Whatsapp are companies with strong products. Mozilla have a strong products. Same thing with the Linux Foundation.

The article is talking about how ActivityPub is the future, but without strong products, how can that future be possible?

Idealism alone won't convince people to switch to Mastodon instead of using Twiiter or Peertube intead of Youtube.

Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by shellkr »

remir wrote: post #87

Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Twitter: they grew to what they are today because each of them had people behind the wheel with a product mentality . This mentality attracted the capital and talent necessary to create products that resonated with people . Now, some would say that, these services had the goal to make money and that's why they attracted capital and could hire top talent, but it doesn't change the fact t…

Don't agree. Mentality is important but it will not automatically lead to success. Look at how well Windows Phone did. Microsoft put everything they had to make that product but ultimately failed.

Both Mac and Windows is successful because retail. People do not want to troubleshoot issues themselves.. They also want something they know. Apple is good at marketing and Windows is something we all know. Linux has just a bunch of small shops and does not have the same brand recognition. It takes much longer for Linux desktop to reach that level of trust. Especially when Microsoft uses their considerable capital to lobby against Linux adoption. Linux adoption is continually rising though.. It is at about 3% right now.

ActivityPub is like the Linux kernel. It is the foundation that other software can use. It took a long time but eventually the idealism behind Linux made it work. It became an important infrastructure that saved money and thus an edge. ActivityPub have the same possibility. It could become the infrastructure of social media.

Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by antpls »

remir wrote: post #174
antpls wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Google, Facebook, WhatsApp are companies. Firefox and Linux Kernel are "software products". ActivityPub is an open proposition about a technical standard.

Google, Facebook, Whatsapp are companies with strong products . Mozilla have a strong products. Same thing with the Linux Foundation. The article is talking about how ActivityPub is the future, but without strong products, how can that future be possible? Idealism alone won't convince people to switch to Mastodon instead of using Twiiter or Peertube intead of Youtube.

> Idealism alone won't convince people to switch to Mastodon instead of using Twiiter or Peertube intead of Youtube.

Just curious, according to you, is democracy an idealism that happened alone or with a product?

Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by _8j50 »

munificent wrote: post #94
_8j50 wrote: post #52

Let me just say this - both mastodon and activitypub are terrible names. I say that as a consumer not as an expert on anything. It's not a dealbreaker for me but platform popularity by the masses depends on color schemes and catchy names. I feel the same way about duckduckgo. Great products though.

"World wide web", "email, "Internet", and "HTTP" are pretty bad names too.

They didn't have competition when they gained mass adoption. There was gopher for http but it but http but that was before consumers were sold either item. Needless to say those are systems and protocols not products.

Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by seanp2k2 »

dnomad wrote: post #33
edhelas wrote: post #15

ActivityPub is built by the W3C and therefore relies on Web related technologies (lost of HTTP and JSON exchanged) :) Does this scale properly and how does it compare to existing solutions like XMPP Pubsub ( https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html ) that is basically built to deliver content, in real-time (trough TCP sockets) and can handle thousands (millions?) of delivered packets per seconds? I'm building a fede…

I suspect XMPP is superior to ActivityPub and the way to go. Bandwidth is only increasing with 5G and with binary XML [1] I think you'll (one day, in theory) be able to get large scale, efficient real-time message flows. XML is just more extensible than JSON soup. These architectures are also probably flawed for pushing for complete N-to-N connectivity. It makes far more sense to push for mobile data that can be libe…

XMPP was what I first thought of while reading https://joinmastodon.org/ . My thought before that was "Why will this time be different than that time that ~everyone thought XMPP federation would be the future?"

Re: Why ActivityPub is the future

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Post by dingo_bat »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #178
dingo_bat wrote: post #168

Nice tech! So where's the peer tube website I can watch and upload videos? Couldn't find it on Google or in TFA.

https://peer.tube/

Thanks, I had found this. But you cannot upload here. But I figured it out now. You can create an account and upload stuff on peertube.social.
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