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Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by andrei_says_ »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #397
andrei_says_ wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not spying on me and not transmitting unknown to me personal information to unknown parties would be a killer feature. I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger and submits all my activity to all major governments (maybe only one today and “all” in a few years when my data gets sold, shared or stolen). This is a serious issue for me.

This issue comes again and again, I'm getting really tired of this "issue". After all this time this is the top comment, while discussing a really good convertible? He mentions that people don't trust Windows for savely restoring their session, but if i'm not mistaking, it's Ubuntu ( i think) that had such a bug for a VERY long time ( https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321399 ). I have never heard such proble…

Thank you for the links.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by NicoJuicy »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #401
NicoJuicy wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This issue comes again and again, I'm getting really tired of this "issue". After all this time this is the top comment, while discussing a really good convertible? He mentions that people don't trust Windows for savely restoring their session, but if i'm not mistaking, it's Ubuntu ( i think) that had such a bug for a VERY long time ( https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321399 ). I have never heard such proble…

Thank you for the links.

No problem, thanks for a decent response ;). I'm always cautious when it's a "we vs them" story. In case of Windows it could be vs Apple, Google, Linux... So :)

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by bradford »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #359
bradford wrote: post #294

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disclaimer: MS employee, this is solely my opinion Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest? (By those regulations, MS is required, under penalty of very large fines, to not do what you are accusing them of doing.)

It will, after I see MS getting caught and going through a lawsuit which results in tools providing accountability.

MS already lets you see and delete what they collect on you at account.microsoft.com/privacy

We did a lot of work to comply and provide these tools and people still think MS is part of some grand conspiracy.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by hactually »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #397
andrei_says_ wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not spying on me and not transmitting unknown to me personal information to unknown parties would be a killer feature. I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger and submits all my activity to all major governments (maybe only one today and “all” in a few years when my data gets sold, shared or stolen). This is a serious issue for me.

This issue comes again and again, I'm getting really tired of this "issue". After all this time this is the top comment, while discussing a really good convertible? He mentions that people don't trust Windows for savely restoring their session, but if i'm not mistaking, it's Ubuntu ( i think) that had such a bug for a VERY long time ( https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321399 ). I have never heard such proble…

> Probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, but please respond with comments and not with (too much) downvotes.

Probably due to the fact that you're using whataboutism[1] as a defence rather than tackling the fact that Windows does log user activity and report it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by arto »

bradford wrote: post #403
andrei_says_ wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will, after I see MS getting caught and going through a lawsuit which results in tools providing accountability.

MS already lets you see and delete what they collect on you at account.microsoft.com/privacy We did a lot of work to comply and provide these tools and people still think MS is part of some grand conspiracy.

Once bitten, twice shy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Eavesdropping_b...

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by plattegrond »

justanothernerd wrote: post #367
blt wrote: post #267

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My 5 year old MBP is more than fine, it's great, but I am worried about what I will be able to buy to replace it. Eventually it will break; if not then someday I'll want something with more computing power.

My mid-2012 MBP was one of the best laptops I've ever owned. Unfortunately I eventually broke the screen and it was going to be $800 to replace it. This happened about the time the MBP line got refreshed in 2016 so I got one of the new ones. My 2016 MBP has been the worst laptop I've ever owned... fails to sleep, fails to wake, physical keys keep dying, touchbar freezes and won't unlock the machine, it can't keep ext…

Sell it and buy a refurb from a reseller. I did to replace my busted 2013 with a 2015, and now I'm set hopefully for another few years until Apple comes to their senses. I use Windows just for games, and the sheer frustration even there is enough to turn me off of it. Basic things like launching apps and control panels from the search bar don't work. It fails to pick up the right resolution on my external monitor sometimes. "Geforce experience" is a piece of crap that requires an account to use. Everything feels like I'm at a mall, instead of on my own PC: tacky, hostile, fake, noisy, incoherent.

There is no Mission Control, no Time Machine, no Spaces, the UI still thinks of document windows as applications, there is no Application menu, the keyboard shortcuts are crap, application installs dump stuff all over, settings don't apply immediately, resolution scaling is broken, ... People who think Windows is on par with macOS don't know jack about macs and never bothered to get good at them. It'll be a cold day in hell before an NT-derived windows can compete. MS needs to clean house and commit to doing what Apple did with OSX in 2001... Get rid of the cruft, put the user first, and make everything work.

The article's mention that ejecting the screen takes a software release and that certain apps can prevent it is the kind of bullshit Steve Jobs would've mocked and told the developers to fix if they expect to be taken seriously. A product should serve the user and provide affordances, not hold them hostage.

Migrating to my new MacBook was trivial, and the machines set up an adhoc WiFi network automatically to transfer all the files. Once done, everything worked as before. All without my involvement. That's why people use and want Macs.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by bigphishy »

fsloth wrote: post #376
nailer wrote: post #266

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Realistically, you probably shouldn't be running them on anything with Intel Management Engine, which has a Minix OS with an IP stack that you don't control.

This. What does it matter what OS you are running if you want nothing to leak unless you do complete vetting of the hardware as well. Preferably by ordering many in the same configuration and dismantling one to see it does not have anything extra. And if you do that, there is still the case of the firmware of oh so many components that are integrated to a modern pc. How do you know your network stack is not spying on…

>How do you know your network stack is not spying on you

Meh, that's true, but you can always monitor your device from an upstream router or network traffic monitor.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by arto »

tomxor wrote: post #40

I hate MS, but this looks like a genuinely nice piece of hardware... I wonder if it can run anything other than Windows without being half broken, then I might be interested. [Edit] Looks like everyone is thinking the same thing :P Now who can we pay to invest a month hacking away at figuring out how to get all the bits of hardware working in Linux? Following the link various others have posted here [1], it looks lik…

> Now who can we pay to invest a month hacking away at figuring out how to get all the bits of hardware working in Linux?

There is donation information at:

https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by lord_ring_111 »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #397
andrei_says_ wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not spying on me and not transmitting unknown to me personal information to unknown parties would be a killer feature. I treat any windows machine as if it has a keylogger and submits all my activity to all major governments (maybe only one today and “all” in a few years when my data gets sold, shared or stolen). This is a serious issue for me.

This issue comes again and again, I'm getting really tired of this "issue". After all this time this is the top comment, while discussing a really good convertible? He mentions that people don't trust Windows for savely restoring their session, but if i'm not mistaking, it's Ubuntu ( i think) that had such a bug for a VERY long time ( https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321399 ). I have never heard such proble…

Comparison to ubuntu is silly. Comparison should be with osx.
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