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How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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For all the negative comments about the presentation, which I might normally agree with, I liked this format this time. It took a while to load (thank you multi-threading). I got through it because I treated it like an interactive video with subtitles, which is better than a video. I liked the sound - which, in my iPhone, was muted at the started as my phone was muted, so I didn't even realise there was audio. I like…

I'm not actually a fan this format but I like the fact that they actually tried it. NYT seems like one of the few old media outlets embracing new technologies.

Trying out new formats, experimenting with different media types, and trying new things in general is what's going to push traditional media companies forward. Not pumping more and more intrusive ads.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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I found this maddening to watch from a technical perspective - it was beautifully produced, subtitles, video and audio - but it didn't work right in my browser! (latest chrome on win10) - the audio and subtitles didn't sync - if I touched the scroll wheel on my mouse it would rapidly generate events that caused the 'next' action - if I click on next after the audio was complete on one page there was no audio on the n…

>here are a few strategies people used in those days (in fact I and my family used too). Note that inflation got even crazier after I left - and I'm not sure what other things people did to handle that; but I suspect friends/family/connections continue to be extremely important.

In case of my dad things were following

1. Arm yourself

2. Hire other armed people

3. Run as fast as you can to the Far East

4. Be at good terms with all the local seamen, from military ship crews, to Korean fishing cooperative members

5. Laugh at yesterday kings bringing you stacks of Swiss Franks, and golden bricks just to get a bag of flour.

My father still has a brick of pure scandium, and one of indium in his cabinet from the time some military bureaucrat gave them to him for few crates of instant noodles

What played a bad joke at communists was a fact that they were buying loyalty of their military officers with lavish lifestyle and gigantic expense accounts. A two star general could've afforded a lifestyle close to that of a person making 6 digits in USA.

The moment commies were unable to pay for it, and the subjective prestige value of state perks vent below that of owning a foreign made car, the ironclad loyalty vaned in just few months.

There were fun times in Vladivostok

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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I found this maddening to watch from a technical perspective - it was beautifully produced, subtitles, video and audio - but it didn't work right in my browser! (latest chrome on win10) - the audio and subtitles didn't sync - if I touched the scroll wheel on my mouse it would rapidly generate events that caused the 'next' action - if I click on next after the audio was complete on one page there was no audio on the n…

Unfortunately it worked fine for me, but it was an irritating way to absorb information. I couldn't tell when it was time to click "next", animated scrolling text, full screen video, no thank you...

Next time I see a site format like this, I won't bother, I hope this doesn't turn into a trend.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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Given the presentation doesn't actually provide how people survive, these are some "insights" into it:

- Paper money is useless (as seen in the video) so everything is done via bank transfer. This has led to a very fast adoption of internet banking. You want to pay someone, you make them a transfer and show them the transaction.

- There are places where paper money is needed, parking lots. You have to pay 100.000 bolivares in bills of 500. ATMs don't give you enough money to cover that, so you need to ... buy packets of money, for a premium.

- Credit cards can't keep up their limits with the inflation. All the credit cards in a middle class family amount to a few dollars.

- Unusual for a country like Venezuela, some weird sense of trust is now needed. You might go to get a haircut and then make a money transfer from your PC when you get home. No one wants your paper currency.

- Bitcoin has become a common way of sending money from abroad to family in Venezuela. There's people that will buy it in exchange for Bolivares (Venezuelan currency) at a premium. Again, you have to trust them to hold their side of the bargain.

- All of the issues above work while internet and electricity are working, which very often, doesn't. Banking infrastructure is pushed to its limits .

- There's start ups trying to work around these trust and centralized systems using blockchain technology. (https://www.citywallet.net/ - in spanish)

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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Inflation in Venezuela is over 25k%. People are jailed during demonstrations when they are not shot in cold blood. Children are dying of malnutrition. But for everyone on HN the biggest problem is the article format. Utterly and completely unbelievable...

>Utterly and completely unbelievable...

I think we all understand that it's terrible down there, but there are many, many places in the world where there is tragedy. And in my own experience, there is, and always has been, tragedies consistently happening in my own local area.

Discussing a tertiary topic does not diminish the the value of the main topic.

And food for thought, maybe if that site hadn't made such a poor technical and artistic/design choices, they would have made more of a difference, and caused more people to get the information correctly. (and certainly would less likely to have detracted the discussions from the main point)

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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post #51

For more of a guide to surviving collapses, this essay about the 2001 Argentine Financial crisis is pure gold. I have printed several copies and read it about once a year: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/thoughts-on-urban-surviva...

Thanks for that. It seems safer than I imagined (Schools, theatres, and bars), might have something to do with his financial status though.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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post #51

For more of a guide to surviving collapses, this essay about the 2001 Argentine Financial crisis is pure gold. I have printed several copies and read it about once a year: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/thoughts-on-urban-surviva...

Sorry to be the negative one but, as someone who lived through the 2001 economic crisis, I have no idea what this guy is talking about. He seems to write a lot of survivalist tips, so I would keep that in mind - from a survivalist perspective, all society is at the point of collapse.

Do you mean to say it was better than he depicts it to be? or is it something else?

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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Inflation in Venezuela is over 25k%. People are jailed during demonstrations when they are not shot in cold blood. Children are dying of malnutrition. But for everyone on HN the biggest problem is the article format. Utterly and completely unbelievable...

What, if anything, constructive could you add to help with the problem? Indignation at assumed apathy is something you may experience but if you are truly concerned please help us help.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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post #59

I wonder, if you go there can you still buy stuff for USD? E.g. how does the reporter survive there? I can't imagine a journalist would drop to that quality of life he describes just for his job.

If you have access to USD, you can usually exchange them quite easily - not officially, of course, but you'll find buyers: importers that will get a nice return on them, individuals who want to keep their remaining savings from disappearing, and so on.
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