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How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

#41
Who else felt the irony of people complaining about the presentation format when there are human beings suffering from such a crisis? I was moved when I saw the clip of the kids being fed in a soup kitchen.

Not saying you cannot criticize the format, but shouldn't the discussion be more about what actually caused this situation and how it can be remedied or prevented?

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

#42
post #21

The title should replace "Money" with "Currency". It's the Venezuelan Bolivar is worthless. If you use gold or silver, I am sure they will be more than happy to accept it.

That would make for a less catchy title.

Though amusingly by the definition of "money", worthless currency doesn't qualify.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

#43

I love these multi-media style articles. Didn't anyone else feel completely transported when they watched the yuca getting cooked and saw that woman's tears? Certainly it's not the right choice for every story, but I think it's often better than a typical narrated video piece. Here's another one that I think takes advantage of the format beautifully: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/kinder...

>Didn't anyone else feel completely transported when they watched the yuca getting cooked and saw that woman's tears?

I felt an intense pang of shame as my mouse hovered over the "next" button.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

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> This is what socialism does.

No, this is what a power-hungry dictator does. But socialism/communism creates an environment where such leaders can easily take power and thrive.

That's why democracy can be so powerful - it often successfully removes the power vacuum that creates dictatorships.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

#45

Who else felt the irony of people complaining about the presentation format when there are human beings suffering from such a crisis? I was moved when I saw the clip of the kids being fed in a soup kitchen. Not saying you cannot criticize the format, but shouldn't the discussion be more about what actually caused this situation and how it can be remedied or prevented?

Well, you could say it is about overall impact. If you turn a bunch of people off with your format, you just reduced your potential impact.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

#46
post #12

For all the negative comments about the presentation, which I might normally agree with, I liked this format this time. It took a while to load (thank you multi-threading). I got through it because I treated it like an interactive video with subtitles, which is better than a video. I liked the sound - which, in my iPhone, was muted at the started as my phone was muted, so I didn't even realise there was audio. I like…

I actually found this to be worth the time. I haven't paid much attention to the situation down there, and seeing it was enlightening. Onto the content... I wonder, can someone tell me why there are so many obese people in these video clips, if food is so hard to come by? Why does there seem to be so many people sitting around? Surely with so much manpower available, there are way to make them productive on a large s…

> ...why there are so many obese people in these video clips, if food is so hard to come by?

This is generally the earlier stages of such a crisis; as the timeline extends, the caloric restriction will gradually chip away at the obesity, but it takes several years as most of these food scarcity crises are not zero calories per day average, but severely restricted, like maybe half TDEE. Fat is an extraordinarily dense caloric storage medium, so shedding obesity can take longer than most people anticipate at that rate. Most first world HN readers who have 18%+ body fat can eat zero calories for a month and not suffer long-term adverse effects, as long as they responsibly observe refeeding syndrome cautions, and a lot of body fat can leap right back on after the fast.

> Why does there seem to be so many people sitting around? Surely with so much manpower available, there are way to make them productive on a large scale?

Generally this happens when the population still somewhat expects the old status quo to somehow re-emerge, partly because they don't know any better. You usually don't see local currencies, co-ops, etc. self-organize until the knowledge is spread to the right individuals who are fed up enough with the crisis to take the initiative to change.

This knowledge gap is where the Internet can help. A DIY kit for those segments of the population left behind by capital owners, to implement autarky where it makes sense, minimize autarky externalities and adverse positive feedback loops where possible, and interface with the external currency where sensible and practical. Perhaps building tech stacks like local cryptocurrencies, payment systems, co-op logistical coordination (think ERP for co-ops), etc., that can be stood up within days of a community deciding to disconnect by firing up free tier cloud instances, and optionally, tech stacks/procedures for re-integration should they decide to do so later. Ideally, these stacks are auto-maintaining and administering, eliminating the need for a staff of administrators or bureaucracy until the locality that disconnects reaches about 20,000.

Open source blueprints for building automated chicken coops that start from basic designs and slowly let adopters build into fully-integrated vermi-, aqua-, humanure-culture reactors, outputting valuable proteins for the cost of sweat equity, mostly scavanged junk, and modest purchases from hardware stores, then time, bacteria, air, soil, rain, and solar thermal energy. DIY preventative medical procedures, basic first-aid equipment, etc. DIY food forestry, which can be started with machetes and shovels initially. DIY styrofoam and plastics recycling, into insulation and feedstock to create community-wide goods like cups/plates/etc. while continuously improving energy efficiency from discarded goods. The challenge is to go as low-tech and scavenging as much as possible, leveraging high-tech knowledge, then get that information into the hands of people in the form of actionable first steps to encourage them to take a small risk and build upon initial successes, and get them out of the mentality of a currency-based exchange as the current system has failed them and won't materially help them anytime in the foreseeable future.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

#47

I love these multi-media style articles. Didn't anyone else feel completely transported when they watched the yuca getting cooked and saw that woman's tears? Certainly it's not the right choice for every story, but I think it's often better than a typical narrated video piece. Here's another one that I think takes advantage of the format beautifully: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/kinder...

I found the experience really confusing. I wasn't sure if the segment I was on had ended and I should continue, or if there was a pause in the narration.

A single video would have been much easier to digest.

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

#49
post #33

This is not an article, it's a movie with subtitles. (It should have a [video] tag.) And it doesn't address how to survive when money is worthless, it just shows some vignettes from Venezuela that illustrate how hard it is to survive when money is worthless.

It was pretty good to be honest, like a video that lets you choose your own pace. It was a bit light on the history though (doesn't seem like that was the point of the piece), so here's a decent production by Vox exploring the crisis in Venezuela in more depth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1gUR8wM5vA (Aug 2017)

Re: How to Survive When Money Is Worthless [video]

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest step back happened after we started describing the "human-computer interaction". I don't want an interaction. I'm talking to a machine, not a person. This isn't a two-way conversation. If I wanted to see transitions between slides and text fed to me piecemeal, I'd watch a TV report on the issue. This article is like watching that TV report but also having to click an arrow every ten seconds to prove I'm s…

> I'm talking to a machine, not a person. This isn't a two-way conversation. I guess you operate your computer with no output devices?

I do, but I am the master in the computer-human or website-human relationship. If I want to read faster, I tell the machine to move faster and it does. When I machine tells me that I am moving too quickly or two slowly and demands that I alter my behavior ... the human does not take orders from the machine. They work for us.
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