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Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by rbanffy »

yesimahuman wrote: post #23
jdietrich wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTA: Most people that I showed the Surface to were impressed by what they saw, but almost always came back to the same thing: it doesn’t run macOS. I’m increasingly frustrated by this because it’s almost always a misunderstanding of how far Windows 10 has come, and how compatible the workflow now is regardless of what you might do for a job. I suspect most people haven't touched Windows since years ago and it's time…

I've tried to adopt the alternative bash systems on Windows, and they are nowhere close to terminal options on OS X (or Linux!). It still boggles my mind why we have to stay within the limits of the cmd.exe UI, with the lack of window resizing, easy copy/paste, and proper font rendering. Then, on top of that, Windows will never have a proper unix-like filesystem. I just can't go back to that. The only thing windows h…

Back in the Windows 7 days I used Cygwin with MinTTY. It was much better than what cmd.exe offered at the time.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by GordonS »

eatstoomuchjam wrote: post #63
yesimahuman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried to adopt the alternative bash systems on Windows, and they are nowhere close to terminal options on OS X (or Linux!). It still boggles my mind why we have to stay within the limits of the cmd.exe UI, with the lack of window resizing, easy copy/paste, and proper font rendering. Then, on top of that, Windows will never have a proper unix-like filesystem. I just can't go back to that. The only thing windows h…

Install conemu. Problem (mostly) solved.

Install Cmder (which uses conemu) - problem solved even better ;)

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by thinkythought »

throwawayqdhd wrote: post #31
sinatra wrote: post #10

Such articles always give too much importance to the hardware (which is somewhat important, no doubt) and not enough importance to the software. Many people are looking for quality alternatives to Macbooks, Mac Mini, etc (myself included). Mac Mini hasn’t been updated for 4-5 years. So, I started setting up a Windows desktop as a Mac Mini replacement. But when it came to finding all the alternatives to the OS X softw…

Windows keeps breaking with every update. My touchpad randomly stops working. Startup is excruciatingly slow even on an i7 laptop with 16GB of RAM. Starting up from sleep takes nearly as long, and for some reason, it takes at least 5 minutes for the machine to work at normal processing power again. The search function is still as broken as ever. There is a useless "People" tab near the clock that hogs my memory. Then…

I had similar issues with a home-rolled desktop(nothing ridiculous! intel CPU, amd GPU, adaptec raid card, stack of ram. No old or weird hardware) and eventually just gave up and sold the entire lot. The last straw for me, after many update issues, is when it decided to update on its own in the middle of the night and then refuse to boot due to some date/time mismatch error killing the windows activation so much it wouldn't even start up beyond the error message. I googled it, and it ended up being faster to reinstall than fix since i had an install USB on hand.(it was some huge mess of "mount the boot drive on another system and then...")

I just use my(pre-current design/mk1 retina) macbook pro with the same monitor at my desk now

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by thinkythought »

admiralEyebrows wrote: post #67
sinatra wrote: post #10

Such articles always give too much importance to the hardware (which is somewhat important, no doubt) and not enough importance to the software. Many people are looking for quality alternatives to Macbooks, Mac Mini, etc (myself included). Mac Mini hasn’t been updated for 4-5 years. So, I started setting up a Windows desktop as a Mac Mini replacement. But when it came to finding all the alternatives to the OS X softw…

High Sierra has had some bad bugs, some that made my stomach churn even more than root access. One's that directly impacted my work flow make me the most angry: regular screen flickering, occasional computer falling asleep, and two times a complete logout. This is on the current model 13" Macbook Pro touchbar. I bought it in december to upgrade from my 2012 model. I keep up to date on the software, but I sincerely ho…

I've had more issues with high sierra than any release since lion, but still less than i've had with windows 10(and i even own a surface pro!). I really hate having to choose between two bad options, but it's more a borderline unacceptable option with 10 and a begrudgingly workable one with HS.

I'm completely with you, and i don't understand how it seems to have peaked in reliability somewhere around 10.9-10.11 and just slid downhill since. 10.9-10 was probably the most reliable release since 10.6. I would pay significant extra money for some kind of ESR/enterprise release that was that stable just to get stuff done.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by skinnymuch »

ghaff wrote: post #39
throwawayqdhd wrote: post #14

The Surface Book also runs something I never want to deal with again: Windows 10. I can't deal with a software that constantly gets in the way of my work. I gave Windows a lot of tries, but the latest edition was the last straw for me. Never going back.

I'm inclined to agree and I have Windows, Linux, and MacOS laptops today (as well Chromebooks). The Windows one is actually the most powerful one from a hardware perspective; it's a 17" Alienware. But I mostly prefer to work on my 13" MacBook. I probably could configure the Windows system to be less annoying but the trackpad doesn't really work for me and I still find Windows a bit clunky comparatively. Perhaps if I…

iPad Pro is a far different beast from Surfaces. iPad Pro is still just a tablet.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by thinkythought »

WesleyLivesay wrote: post #6

I would love to see more laptop manufacturers use the 3:2 aspect ratio, especially on screens smaller than 15".

There's some interesting budget options like the Chuwi lapbook(both the 12 and 13in versions) that are starting to. I just wish there were more midrange/higher spec options between that and the surface book

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by thinkythought »

cma wrote: post #9

Just don't put your hand on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/7of68m/surface_pro... (I still think it is better than MacBook. Just really annoying that they got this wrong)

This has been screwed up since they moved away from the original, much MUCH nicer wacom digitizers(which were also more sensitive with the pen). I still haven't heard a legit explanation besides this other than "they're expensive"

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by pdpi »

yesimahuman wrote: post #56
addicted wrote: post #36

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I don’t use cmd.exe for anything. It’s Powershell all the way. Powershell, while different from the BASH way of doing things, is a really nice commandline tool.

Doesn't powershell still have the same UI limitations of cmd.exe? I'm not talking about the actual shell itself, but the application the shell runs in.

It does, yeah. But powershell inside conemu is a fairly decent experience.

Re: The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be

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Post by yesimahuman »

eatstoomuchjam wrote: post #63
yesimahuman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried to adopt the alternative bash systems on Windows, and they are nowhere close to terminal options on OS X (or Linux!). It still boggles my mind why we have to stay within the limits of the cmd.exe UI, with the lack of window resizing, easy copy/paste, and proper font rendering. Then, on top of that, Windows will never have a proper unix-like filesystem. I just can't go back to that. The only thing windows h…

Install conemu. Problem (mostly) solved.

Looks like a nice improvement. Thanks for the recommendation
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