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Toward Psychoinformatics: Computer Science Meets Psychology (2016)

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Re: Toward Psychoinformatics: Computer Science Meets Psychology (2016)

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Post by hutzlibu »

Well, it seems to me, that Psychoinformatics is surely going to be established. In practice, facebook, google, etc. are working on it allready since years and with great ressources. It just has not been called that, as far as I know.

But what they describe, collecting data 24/7 and analyzing it with psychological methods - is allready beeing done. It is just not done out of medical or scientific reasons ... and thats the problem with me.

So it was actually a scary read to me. I mean, there is no doubt about, that you get much better results, if you have more and better data.

And under certain condition I might be willing to share all my data for a science project or my psychotherapeut. (if I would counsel one)

And the research will surely benefit the latter as well - but I believe, most of the use cases will be for - advertisement on the one hand and population surveilance/control on the other hand.

I live in the former DDR. And the old ones still tell how horrible the spying of the Stasi was. Yet they are all fine (or don't understand) how much more is known about them today. There is a difference, sure, you don't go to prison today, if you criticize the government. But if the system goes into dark mode again - and there are some signs that this might happen - then any opposition to it, won't stand any chance. And then hello to totalitarian dystopie.

Re: Toward Psychoinformatics: Computer Science Meets Psychology (2016)

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Post by johnny_and1 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #2

Well, it seems to me, that Psychoinformatics is surely going to be established. In practice, facebook, google, etc. are working on it allready since years and with great ressources. It just has not been called that, as far as I know. But what they describe, collecting data 24/7 and analyzing it with psychological methods - is allready beeing done. It is just not done out of medical or scientific reasons ... and thats…

Using psychology on data collected 24/7 can also have a positive effect. We (researchers from the Menthal project + psychologists) are planning to run this project in the following months: http://www.pi.uni-tuebingen.de/arbeitsbereiche/klinische-psy...

Extra info here: https://www.startnext.com/whatsapp-against-depression

We plan to detect early signs of depression in children and teenagers.

(I'm sorry that everything is in German.)

Re: Toward Psychoinformatics: Computer Science Meets Psychology (2016)

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Post by hutzlibu »

johnny_and1 wrote: post #5
hutzlibu wrote: post #2

Well, it seems to me, that Psychoinformatics is surely going to be established. In practice, facebook, google, etc. are working on it allready since years and with great ressources. It just has not been called that, as far as I know. But what they describe, collecting data 24/7 and analyzing it with psychological methods - is allready beeing done. It is just not done out of medical or scientific reasons ... and thats…

Using psychology on data collected 24/7 can also have a positive effect. We (researchers from the Menthal project + psychologists) are planning to run this project in the following months: http://www.pi.uni-tuebingen.de/arbeitsbereiche/klinische-psy... Extra info here: https://www.startnext.com/whatsapp-against-depression We plan to detect early signs of depression in children and teenagers. (I'm sorry that everythin…

I believe I said that as well ... of course it is good for medical or scientific reasons to have more and better data. And I don't see any problem with that, when the patients know and consent about the surveilance. So go on with that and good luck ...

Re: Toward Psychoinformatics: Computer Science Meets Psychology (2016)

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Post by johnny_and1 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #7
johnny_and1 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using psychology on data collected 24/7 can also have a positive effect. We (researchers from the Menthal project + psychologists) are planning to run this project in the following months: http://www.pi.uni-tuebingen.de/arbeitsbereiche/klinische-psy... Extra info here: https://www.startnext.com/whatsapp-against-depression We plan to detect early signs of depression in children and teenagers. (I'm sorry that everythin…

I believe I said that as well ... of course it is good for medical or scientific reasons to have more and better data. And I don't see any problem with that, when the patients know and consent about the surveilance. So go on with that and good luck ...

Yes, you did. I was just providing an example. Thank you!

Re: Toward Psychoinformatics: Computer Science Meets Psychology (2016)

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Post by s-shellfish »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #3

Faceless corporations have aggregated psychological profiles rivaling those of psychologists on billions of people. Why shouldn't this information have the same, if not more, protections as HIPPA?

Psychology can be whatever you want to make it.

If you don't want to be psychologically profiled, be an outlier and/ot be more careful about what data you divulge.

The same thing happens in psychological settings. Faceless corporations and practitioners profiling people for what purpose - to sell more psychiatric medication? Or to actually help? You can't ever really tell the difference walking into those places.

HIPPA can protect you from how people outside of psychology will use that information, but it can't protect you if the practitioners of pyschology don't actually have your best interest aligned with their best interest.

This problem is a revolving door. It could be bad to get more eyeballs on it, but it could also be a good thing. The point is, that's uncertain.

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