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Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Post by walterbell »

subroutine wrote: post #6

There was an interesting post related to this a few months ago, that maybe some of you missed and would enjoy... "Dark Patterns, The Ratchet" https://jacquesmattheij.com/dark-patterns-the-ratchet/

Thanks. A quote:

> ... instantly all memory of the consent obtained will be forgotten. There is no way back. That ‘click’ of your mouse (or tap of the finger) was the ratchet advancing one little step. Good luck finding the permission you have just about irrevocably changed in a mountain of convolution designed to lead you astray in your quest to undo your action. Of course it would be trivial to have a log of recently given permissions and an ‘undo’ option for each of those. But there is no money in there and so you won’t find it. The ratchet has clicked and that’s all that matters, you ‘gave your consent’, time to move on. And so the company gets to claim that not only did you give your consent, you gave it willingly and obviously they would have never ever used your data without that consent.

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Post by 1125 »

minpur wrote: post #10

What a surprise! Microsoft villianised over the decades seems to be better than Google and Facebook. This brings us to the question. Have you paid XX money for a service that doesn’t show ads. Are you happy with it?

Still I think there's a difference in how deep the intrusion goes. I can just not use Google (except it's harder on stock Android phones), but I can definitely go without Facebook by just not using it. Having my own Operating System to spy on me makes me a victim whatever I do. I can't really escape from that.

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Post by Arn_Thor »

ckastner wrote: post #5

Page 14: [edit: number corrected, thanks] > As the screenshots below illustrate, the Facebook GDPR popup requires users to go into “Manage data settings” to turn off ads based on data from third parties. If the user simply clicks “Accept and continue”, the setting is automatically turned on. This is not privacy by default. Beautiful! A minimal demonstration of a clear violation of the principal of data protection by…

* page 14

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Post by tehabe »

dannyw wrote: post #9
ckastner wrote: post #5

Page 14: [edit: number corrected, thanks] > As the screenshots below illustrate, the Facebook GDPR popup requires users to go into “Manage data settings” to turn off ads based on data from third parties. If the user simply clicks “Accept and continue”, the setting is automatically turned on. This is not privacy by default. Beautiful! A minimal demonstration of a clear violation of the principal of data protection by…

Note that Facebook still refuses to let you opt out of personalised advertising based on Facebook activity. This is the most blatant malcompliance with GDPR IMO, when will data protection authorities start fining FB?

The paper deals with this, it even says this gives the users the false impression of control. I remember this weird pop up if you allow Facebook applications of friends to access your information. It was never really clear if you agree or disagree to it by checking the check boxes.

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Post by pfortuny »

ckastner wrote: post #5

Page 14: [edit: number corrected, thanks] > As the screenshots below illustrate, the Facebook GDPR popup requires users to go into “Manage data settings” to turn off ads based on data from third parties. If the user simply clicks “Accept and continue”, the setting is automatically turned on. This is not privacy by default. Beautiful! A minimal demonstration of a clear violation of the principal of data protection by…

Oh: we made mistakes. They will not happen again.

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Post by sideshowb »

janlaureys wrote: post #14

Especially on mobile some of these cookie management screens I've seen lately are HORRIBLE. If you're gonna make me click on every single partner to opt out of their tracking, I'm just not gonna use your site.

Or hopefully wait and watch while someone with more time than you takes them to court

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Post by hadrien01 »

janlaureys wrote: post #14

Especially on mobile some of these cookie management screens I've seen lately are HORRIBLE. If you're gonna make me click on every single partner to opt out of their tracking, I'm just not gonna use your site.

I use EasyList Annoyances with my adblocker, it hides all cookies/GDPR popups. If the website respects GDPR and waits for my click on the "Accept" button, I'll never see it and tracking shouldn't be enabled (many websites still don't respect that basic concept nonetheless)

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Post by Vinnl »

1125 wrote: post #12
minpur wrote: post #10

What a surprise! Microsoft villianised over the decades seems to be better than Google and Facebook. This brings us to the question. Have you paid XX money for a service that doesn’t show ads. Are you happy with it?

Still I think there's a difference in how deep the intrusion goes. I can just not use Google (except it's harder on stock Android phones), but I can definitely go without Facebook by just not using it. Having my own Operating System to spy on me makes me a victim whatever I do. I can't really escape from that.

It's hard for me not to use Google's products because they're good, it's hard for me not to use Facebook's because they managed to lock me in using social pressure.
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