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A clever way to fight IE6

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Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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And big enterprises are places with deep pockets. They'd happily pay the IE6 tax. I'm not really serious about the idea, but the idea of taxing users of outdated software could lead to some pretty interesting applications.

The enterprises wouldn't decide to pay the IE tax. The decision would have to be made by the end-users forced to use IE6. And they wouldn't pay.

Then offer an IP-range license deal for them.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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but the underlying problem is that IE6s are still sticking in big enterprise/workplace where they do not have a choice of uninstalling it.

Actually, the biggest pool of IE6 users are people from poor countries running pirated copies of Windows XP with no access to automatic updates.

I checked out http://gs.statcounter.com/ . Select Browser Version, maybe view as bar graph.

Africa and Asia lead in IE6 by almost 25%. I was surprised, but it does make sense -- pirated XP comes with IE6, people can't use Windows Update, so they just stick with it.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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This is what we do too, but this isn't going to kill IE6. It's not a problem that sites support it, it's a problem that large companies and non-techies don't want to or know how to upgrade. What I do for all my sites is add http://pushuptheweb.com/ to all my pages and customize the message to say they're not getting the full experience and that their browser may be unsecure.

I disagree, I think that techniques like this do contribute to killing IE6. The reason that corporations don't upgrade their browsers is pretty simple: they don't have to. As it stands now, IE6 is "good enough" for their employees to do whatever it is they need to do.

The more websites that drop IE6 support, the more IE6 becomes "not good enough", and the more pressure accumulates for corporations to upgrade. Right now it's more practical in many environments for the IT group to stick with IE6 than upgrade. The day it becomes more practical to upgrade than stay put is the day IE6 dies.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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IE6 is the new NN4 To be fair though, NN4 support was a massive pain, getting people off it even more pain. (for those that got into webdev post-2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Navigator )

True. NN4 was the reason I moved to Flash.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Of course the problem with this strategy is that you may not be in a vacuum. If I'm a competing shop I simply say that I'll do it all for a price somewhat south of your +IE6 price. And if I have some experienced webdevs who have done this type of stuff since forever, the cost is already largely locked in. Sure I may not be "helping the web" (whatever that means), it may mean a substantial boost in revenue.

I doubt IE6 is a make or break reason for clients nowdays.

Don't mention browser support. And if the topic of IE 6 comes up, charge a price.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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I run a web design company and as part of the discovery process, we ask questions to figure out whether or not big corporations, schools, gov. agencies, etc, are part of their core target audience. We also look at their existing analytics data if they have it. If they have visitors using IE6, we just assume that we're going to need to support IE6 and adjust the price according. There is no good reason to make the cus…

I'm confused. Are you or are you not notifying your customers of the added expense of supporting IE6? If you are, then I don't see how your method differs from what is stated in the post. No one is making their client "feel bad" about a business decision. Whether or not they do is more a function of how that unfortunate news is delivered, or perhaps whether or not they irrationally view IE6 support as mission-critical.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Of course the problem with this strategy is that you may not be in a vacuum. If I'm a competing shop I simply say that I'll do it all for a price somewhat south of your +IE6 price. And if I have some experienced webdevs who have done this type of stuff since forever, the cost is already largely locked in. Sure I may not be "helping the web" (whatever that means), it may mean a substantial boost in revenue.

I doubt IE6 is a make or break reason for clients nowdays. Don't mention browser support. And if the topic of IE 6 comes up, charge a price.

As another poster mentioned, it's a demographics issue. Right now, I'm working on a site used in US K-12 schools, and IE6 usage is around 5%. It doesn't sound like much, but our client can easily justify supporting IE6 based on marginal revenue. We have a large Google Web Toolkit application, so IE6 wrangling is limited to CSS and performance hell -- the JS differences are compiled away.

If you're developing a consumer app, you're probably in pretty good shape though. Some friends at a consumer-focused webshop report IE6 rates < 3%. Furthermore, most of that 3% probably have Firefox installed and could use it easily if they were told that the site wasn't IE6 compatible. So, for them, the ROI of IE6 support is probably quite negative.

Re: A clever way to fight IE6

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Of course the problem with this strategy is that you may not be in a vacuum. If I'm a competing shop I simply say that I'll do it all for a price somewhat south of your +IE6 price. And if I have some experienced webdevs who have done this type of stuff since forever, the cost is already largely locked in. Sure I may not be "helping the web" (whatever that means), it may mean a substantial boost in revenue.

Aren't job bids typically considered confidential? How would you know what another firm wanted to support IE6?
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