That's a cafeteria. My favorite dining experience in SF was when I got half of a deviled egg for $9, and the server was just too fucking bothered to tell me that I should order another half for my date. I'll bet they're still going to try to slip in the "healthcare" fee for the non-existent full timers. Just one more thing: people will absolutely pay $20 for a burger. Many places sell more expensive burgers, and at s…
Was that egg at Marlowe?
SF Restaurants Can’t Afford Waiters. So They’re Putting Diners to Work
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If you buy something at a counter, there is no social expectation that you tip (bartenders are the sole exception, but just give them a dollar not a percentage.) Nor for takeout, but you should definitely tip for delivery (those guys get a raw deal anyway, their pay sucks and they're almost always putting miles on their personal vehicle. Tip them with cash when possible, to make sure they get to keep it...)
> If you buy something at a counter, there is no social expectation that you tip In the USA, plenty of counter-service restaurants/shops have tip jars. Further, many counter-service food outlets have added a tipping option to their credit card process, usually with 15% as the minimum.
I see this as just a little bit underhanded... creating the expectation of a tip in situations where one is not needed.
Also, the presence of a tip jar does not create the need for a tip.
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#83So, a question from a foreigner, if you buy something at a counter, should you tip? I would think the answer is no, but in states where minimum wage laws are different for tipped workers, I would expect the answer to be yes, but are there other guidelines? Does it matter if you eat in vs take out? What are the damn expectations?
I also don't tip in places where you are expected to bus (clear) your own table, unless other service has been provided.
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#84So, a question from a foreigner, if you buy something at a counter, should you tip? I would think the answer is no, but in states where minimum wage laws are different for tipped workers, I would expect the answer to be yes, but are there other guidelines? Does it matter if you eat in vs take out? What are the damn expectations?
If you did NOT receive good service, that should be reflected in the amount of your tip (or your lack of tip).
If you receive exceptional service, that should also be reflected.
The general rule is to tip in proportion to the service, and the quality of service being delivered.
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#86Unless it's an event where I feel under pressure to appear "stately", I don't prefer to have people waiting on me at all, so I feel this is what all restaurants should try to do.
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#87So, a question from a foreigner, if you buy something at a counter, should you tip? I would think the answer is no, but in states where minimum wage laws are different for tipped workers, I would expect the answer to be yes, but are there other guidelines? Does it matter if you eat in vs take out? What are the damn expectations?
Keep in mind: Tipping is the means by which to acknowledge good service. If you did NOT receive good service, that should be reflected in the amount of your tip (or your lack of tip). If you receive exceptional service, that should also be reflected. The general rule is to tip in proportion to the service, and the quality of service being delivered.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Keep in mind: Tipping is the means by which to acknowledge good service. If you did NOT receive good service, that should be reflected in the amount of your tip (or your lack of tip). If you receive exceptional service, that should also be reflected. The general rule is to tip in proportion to the service, and the quality of service being delivered.
Is the implication that if you didn't tip, then the service was bad? I'm sorry, but it should be a given that the service adequately good in the normal course of business --otherwise, why is it a restaurant? I am fine if tipping is something you do when you experience exceptional service that is above and beyond satisfactory, instead of something you are compelled to do every time. The argument that waiters might not…
Yes. That is the implication.
> it should be a given that the service adequately good in the normal course of business
Yes, as you say, it usually is adequately good. What about when it isn't?
Not all service is good. Not all service deserves tipping and not all service is going generate repeat customers.
As for myself, I'm all about the food. If the food is good and it gets out to me in a timely manner, I'm a happy camper, and I'll tip 20% (at a tipping-type location).
What about the times when the service is egregiously poor? You could choose to contact management. Surely they would want to know why you won't be eating there anymore... You could tip 2 pennies to communicate to the server that their service was poor... I've heard both of those suggestions.
I choose to communicate this by lowering the tip I leave, and in the absolute worst cases, leave no tip at all. Perhaps there is a better option. I don't consider leaving a 20% tip to be that better option.
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> "Want one once of 16 different beers? No problem." If I want one pint of 16 different beers, will it comply or will it cut me off for being visibly intoxicated?
I think you only get 32 or 48oz every two hours. The limit does seem pretty low.