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'New Zealand wants you': the problem with tech at the edge of the world

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post #41

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Irrespective of anything else, I had to laugh at the description of one of the most beautiful places in the planet as the "ass-end of the world".

Why? Asses can be beautiful. And it doesn't change the fact that NZ is about as remote as you can get.

In the past decade or two, NZ's remoteness has seemed increasingly like a feature, not a bug.

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post #78

One and a half years ago I migrated to New Zealand from Turkey. * It was almost my first time abroad, my English wasn't great, and I was new to the culture. However I was amazed that how welcoming and patient people were. I hear the opposite from my friends living in Europe and US. * I found a job while in Turkey, and the company sponsored me for the visa; and since they were an accredited employer the visa process w…

Are you in Auckland with that kind of rent?

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post #25

Wellington is like a smaller (and much more windy) San Francisco. Having just finished driving 12,000km tip-to-tip, that might be the one spot that's dense enough to amount to something. I can't emphasize enough how rural the rest of this country is. New Zealand is a victim of its success in tourism. Everything is geared towards that. Imagine living somewhere like Denver, CO but with SF prices and depressed software…

Wellington is the most beautiful city I’ve ever lived in, maybe the most beautiful city I’ve been to, and it’s where we assumed we’d be living when my wife and I moved to NZ some years ago. We spent 9 months before giving up and moving to Auckland. The winter was miserable. I’d never considered wind to be something that could make me so miserable in a place.

Kiwis joke that New Zealand starts at the Bombay Hills (the Bombay Hills are just south of Auckland, and so serve as a demarcation between Auckland and the far north and the rest of NZ). I wanted to love Wellington, but I ended up feeling much happier in Auckland.

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post #100

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It's really complicated to explain where I'm from. My passport is British. I was born in Switzerland. My parents live in France. (My dad worked at CERN, if you've been to Geneva you'll understand). I went to university in the UK, exchange programme in Santa Barbara. I did summer jobs in LA, Switzerland, Taipei, Vancouver, Auckland, Korea, China, and India. I decided I like NZ and Canada the most. I need 3 years prior…

As a UK citizen you should be able to work in NZ for up to 23 months if you are aged <=30 on a working holiday visa. You might be able to find a temp job that way and transition to permanent.

I already did in 2012, and I can't have a second Working Holiday visa there.

The other two options are more hopeful - Canada will allow me a second working holiday (my first was before the rules changed in 2012), and I didn't work in Australia before. But the Aussie visa only lets me work for one employer for 6 months max. NZ needs 3 years continuous relevant work experience, and I really don't want to break the "continuous" part I have now.

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I'm trying to get a job in New Zealand right now. In 2012 I was there on Working Holiday, and did a summer job writing control systems code for Fisher & Paykel Healthcare in Auckland. By 2014 I'd visited a few more countries and shortlisted destinations: New Zealand (Skilled Migrant Category), Canada (Express Entry), or Australia (subclass 186). Now I'm trying to apply, but most listings on Seek require already havin…

I'm a kiwi and did the reverse and moved to Scotland. I do know a number of people who were offered jobs in NZ while still abroad. Technical sales, developer, psychiatrist. That's just anecdotal, but it's definitely possible.

However my approach in moving to the UK was to actually show up to look for a job. Seems to me like it's very different having a faceless person send in a CV from the other side of the world, compared to them walking through your front door wearing a suit, shaking your hand and saying 'Hi, my name's Peter'. If you're right there in front of them they know you're serious, not just firing off random speculative applications. And human nature is that you form an opinion of someone within moments of meeting them, so if that opinion is positive you'll be treated very differently to an email sitting in their Inbox. If someone then asks 'Do you have a visa?' then you can explain that if they offer you the job then you will get the visa and have that conversion with them.

I understand that approach may be more difficult to commit to than applying remotely, due to current job, family, financial reasons - but it worked for me.

Re: 'New Zealand wants you': the problem with tech at the edge of the world

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I'm trying to get a job in New Zealand right now. In 2012 I was there on Working Holiday, and did a summer job writing control systems code for Fisher & Paykel Healthcare in Auckland. By 2014 I'd visited a few more countries and shortlisted destinations: New Zealand (Skilled Migrant Category), Canada (Express Entry), or Australia (subclass 186). Now I'm trying to apply, but most listings on Seek require already havin…

I'm a kiwi and did the reverse and moved to Scotland. I do know a number of people who were offered jobs in NZ while still abroad. Technical sales, developer, psychiatrist. That's just anecdotal, but it's definitely possible. However my approach in moving to the UK was to actually show up to look for a job. Seems to me like it's very different having a faceless person send in a CV from the other side of the world, co…

I tried that in Japan and the Netherlands while I was on my country-visiting tour. After a fruitless month in each, I moved on. The flights and living costs made it an expensive mistake. I'm not rich. The low cost of living in Kaohsiung means I've saved enough to pay for my visa fees, but that's over half my savings. Not to mention flights, food, accommodation while searching. All my previous jobs interviewed over Skype, although sometimes I was introduced by Facebook friends who I do know in real life.

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post #100

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As a UK citizen you should be able to work in NZ for up to 23 months if you are aged <=30 on a working holiday visa. You might be able to find a temp job that way and transition to permanent.

I already did in 2012, and I can't have a second Working Holiday visa there. The other two options are more hopeful - Canada will allow me a second working holiday (my first was before the rules changed in 2012), and I didn't work in Australia before. But the Aussie visa only lets me work for one employer for 6 months max. NZ needs 3 years continuous relevant work experience, and I really don't want to break the "con…

Then just apply for Working Holiday in Canada again.

You were already successful to find skilled job before, so you will be able to get it again. And being physically here with open work permit makes things much easier.

Then you can apply for Young Professional which is very little hassle for your employer and you will get 2nd year easily.

And during this 2 years you would apply for Express Entry as soon as you are eligible. You apply for FSW for which you should be eligible already or for CEC when you have 1 year experience in Canada. If you don't have enough points for EE then there are other programs like PNP.

It would be really bad luck if you couldn't get, or be in the process of getting permanent residency during that time. When you have job in IT, it's quite straightforward to get PR.

Also, when looking for job, never mention word "sponsoring". When recruiter asks you about your visa you will say that you have WH for a year, already lined up YP for 2nd year and applying for PR as soon you are employed. Visas are not a problem here.

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Perhaps not useless but highly misleading without context. How many customers? How many employees? Any profit? All these would help.

45 employees, net profit of about £4M in the last FY.

Impressive

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Just sign up for a degree at a degree mill and you'll get a student visa and an easy route to permanent residency. New Zealand (and Australia) don't care about quality migrants, just quantity, to keep up demand for housing (both countries have housing-bubble-based economies) and to add extra consumption to national GDP. The migrants they really want are Indians who can put downwards pressure on wages. Go to Auckland,…

> Just sign up for a degree at a degree mill That's the advice I was given when looking at NZ. At the time I had about 15 years experience in IT but that couldn't be considered as I didn't have a relevant degree. "Do night classes for a couple of years and get a degree" Instead I decided to forget about NZ even as a tourist.

My wife and I considered moving to NZ as well; I'm a cloud engineer with 10 years experience (20 total in software/sys admin) in the US, I've worked for startups and enterprises. NZ won't even acknowledge me because I don't have a silly bachelors degree. Too bad I spent those 4 years getting experience instead of university.

Definitely worth a visit, I'd suggest. It's really a beautiful country.

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post #29

I’m in NZ, and involved in the startup community down here. Great people, great vibe. There’s a long history of Innovation down here at the bottom of the planet. The best example is David Downs book “#8 Rewired” which gives examples of great NZ Innovations such as: Disposable hypodermic syringe Manned flight(disputed) Jet boat Nanotube Freeze dried coffee(sorry) DNA discovery Splitting the atom(Rutherford) DNA double…

One of the most underated software produced in NZ is Serato - pretty much changed the DJing game.

Funny you mention that - I've recently been tempted to send them my resume.
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