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Immoral according to who?
To mankind.
You spoken to all of mankind have you?
Interesting.
Ask HN: Is it ever okay for a physically healthy person to self terminate?
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Re: Ask HN: Is it ever okay for a physically healthy person to self terminate?
#22how about divorcing your wife/husband, thus hurting her/him, your children and others? Should anyone be allowed to do that?
Divorce may hurt people, but it's not a great analogy because a divorced person can still be a good parent, financial supporter, repayer of debts, etc. There's a huge difference between the damage of divorce vs. the damage of death.
> good parent, financial supporter, repayer of debts
It doesn't sound like you're interested in what this person wants or needs at all. You're just interested in what they can offer you while they're alive.
Re: Ask HN: Is it ever okay for a physically healthy person to self terminate?
#23Wut? I’ve read countless of spy novels.
I’m going to say that spies off themselves at their prime ... as needed.
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#24I don't think so because suicide is or may be contagious. "...numerous social science studies indicate that one of the best predictors of committing suicide is knowing suicide."
When I was suicidal, I wondered if my suicide could influence someone else I love to bite the bullet when they had a moment of weakness, and whether if I could live with that. I considered metaphorically putting a gun to my head was the same as putting a gun to another's psychologically. Honestly because I have had two suicide attempts... Even though I didn't succeed, I know I hurt the people I love very much.
I feel that every loss and death is like a tiny bomb in a social network, it stresses families and communities, and can even severely damage people.
https://www.brainpickings.org/2013/11/18/stay-suicide-hecht/
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#26> a physically healthy person I'm no psychologist, but would anyone who -wants- to self-terminate be considered a "healthy person"? Legitimate question -- I can't imagine someone who is in good health, has good relationships, and has a good possible "life trajectory" to want to self-terminate. > Seems we allow this now; if someone is truly intent they will find a way. I disagree that we "allow this", because it's alm…
You don't have to be depressed or anything to be suicidal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/76qp85...
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
You spoken to all of mankind have you? Interesting.
90% of mankind believe in god troll.
So anyone challenging your beliefs is a troll?
> 90% of mankind believe in god
Sorry, but that's just not the case.
~30-35%% of the population of Earth identify as some flavour of Christian. Others believe in all manner of other gods and entities and moralities.
Not sure why you feel the need to make up bullshit. It's arrogant to assume everybody else shares your beliefs.
Re: Ask HN: Is it ever okay for a physically healthy person to self terminate?
#28Absolutely. I believe it’s possible to have had enough life. I have Type 1 diabetes and do well managing it. I run long distances and if you saw me you’d think I was a normal athletic and fairly fit person. So technically I’m currently healthy but longterm who knows. But even before I was diagnosed (early 30s) I was sick of being alive. I was never drawn to having children, hate working, and don’t make that much mone…
That seems pretty unfair to the people that care about you. They might not even be family or close friends, but might be acquaintances, distant co-workers, or people you see on the street. They get happiness out of interacting with you and having you with them. It doesn't seem right to take that away from them. It sounds like you might be in a bad place mentally. I'm sure that it wouldn't hurt to talk to a profession…
What about sports? Radical sports? Travelling? Driving a car? Should I stop doing that because it may hurt or kill me and, by consequence, hurt people who care about me?
Caring about a person comes with the risk of being hurt. I think it's equally selfish to expect people not to do stuff that may hurt you.
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#29Absolutely. I believe it’s possible to have had enough life. I have Type 1 diabetes and do well managing it. I run long distances and if you saw me you’d think I was a normal athletic and fairly fit person. So technically I’m currently healthy but longterm who knows. But even before I was diagnosed (early 30s) I was sick of being alive. I was never drawn to having children, hate working, and don’t make that much mone…
You are literally providing a counterargument yourself. You wanted out, but with some help and effort are now doing fine. If everyone who wanted to kill themselves were left to their own devices, they would do so, frequently without taking these steps. We need to "stigmatise" suicide as a society, not because there aren't cases that can be helped, but because if we didn't we'd allow for a hell of a lot such false pos…
> You wanted out, but with some help and effort are now doing fine.
Thanks for telling me how I’m doing.
Yes, my body is currently healthy and relatively useful. But I still have no reason to keep going.
Try to be a little less of a judgemental know it all.
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Thankfully I’ve never procreated. Imagine being trapped in an unwanted life, wanting to die, but staying alive because it is “right” for others. Some simply want to be dead, not seek medical help. The arrangement of western life, however, is that one is expected to “seek help” when they’ve decided to pack it in.
Not sure how the procreation part is relevant. You are part of society and many communities whether you like it or not. I guess I don't understand how life is wanted/unwanted. I have no concept of what it is like to not have life, so how could I possibly prefer it? I think because I can't rationalize it makes me think that something else might be at play. At the end of the day seeking medical help has very little dow…
Procreation is relevant not due to the responsibility aspect (which may change things), but because I wouldn’t want to have brought an unwanted life into existence.
I don’t prefer death to life, i just don’t want to be alive. No clue what death may be like. Could be infinitely horrible or the opposite.