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Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better.

I'll give a couple observations:

1. It's becoming easier to find people with good track records.

No, I am not talking about KaChing or Covestor. There are actually two sites that exist where you can apply for entry. They are heavily populated by people who already work at hedge funds, so the process is pretty rigorous. One is SumZero operated by Divya Narendra (the guy who sued Zuckerberg), the other is VIC run by Joel Greenblatt (runs Gotham Capital, professor at Columbia).

In these sites, you post investment ideas which are then rated by the community. Because the community consists mostly of hedge fund analysts, it is pretty tough to get a good rating. But for those that do, it becomes easier to get jobs or raise capital. Greenblatt in particular uses his site to identify talent and in the past has seeded members (Michael Burry is one of them). In general, the sites help in networking which is the key (IMO) to landing a HF job or raising capital.

2. Blogs and an online presence are helping connect inexperienced students of investing with hedge fund managers/wealthy people.

I know a few people who started blogs where they posted investment ideas and news, and then went on to use their online presence to network in real life.

One of these people attracted $1M in seed funding from a well known investor, who then would routinely introduce him to other businessmen/wealthy individuals and helped raise capital. This was a kid that managed to start a $15M fund straight out of undergrad. A couple of others followed a similar path. Started a blog > used it to network > wrote and published books > networked some more and eventually raised capital to start small funds.

I also think some of the barriers to entry in the HF biz are coming down, a little bit. I had 3 interviews last week that all came as a result of having an investment blog. It's interesting because most of the people at these firms have had years of experience working at investment banks and graduated from ivy league schools (both of which I lack).

3. It's becoming easier to market yourself/your fund.

I see a lot of young/new fund managers offer to do interviews for blogs where they go into their investment process and how they think about markets, plus a few past and current ideas. These interviews work as wonderful marketing tools.

Some funds will also leak their investment letters to bloggers which will contain all sorts of returns data and more about their process. This is kind of a sketchy area because you really are not supposed to be advertising returns to the public. Usually what happens is, the letters stay up for a while and then are taken down after a period of time.

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Now, the people I've seen that take this path generally start small funds in the single to double digit millions. They all have offices they rent and they take a very small personal salary. But after a year or two of good returns, it's been pretty easy for them to scale up. One has went from $5M in AUM to $50M in just a few years.

Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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If this author was to write a similar article on, say, "How to play the flute" it would probably read: - Buy a flute - Blow into one end - Press the various buttons and levers - Make sure you perform at least once at Carnegie Hall

Did you miss the point that this is more a satirical commentary about hedge funds (with some genuine information for the curious thrown in) rather than a serious how-to guide?

I didn't miss that point - but given that I had actual interest in how Hedge Funds start (as I believe most do), I was pretty let down when the article decided to go the humorous route. That, and it wasn't that humorous given my first expectation.

Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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It's a mostly useless list. The main problems are just like with startups - finding the right people, getting your product right and fundraising. Amongst the questions not answered at all: - How do you find good co-founders if you're not amongst the analyst legions at GS, MS or some other bank? - How do you set your fund up, legally, technically, strategically, and foremost financially? Who funds you if every institu…

I don't think it is being entirely serious....

That's what you get for actually being interested in the topic - you miss the obvious.

Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better. I'll give a couple observations: 1. It's becoming easier to find people with good track records. No, I am not talking about KaChing or Covestor. There are actually two sites that exist where you can apply for entry. They are heavily populated by people who already work at hedge funds, so the process is pr…

What interesting little tid-bits you've dropped in this comment. I wonder, could you follow up with a more full-fledged article? I don't see your blog linked to your account on here but I'd love to read something like this.

Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better. I'll give a couple observations: 1. It's becoming easier to find people with good track records. No, I am not talking about KaChing or Covestor. There are actually two sites that exist where you can apply for entry. They are heavily populated by people who already work at hedge funds, so the process is pr…

What's your blog?

Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better. I'll give a couple observations: 1. It's becoming easier to find people with good track records. No, I am not talking about KaChing or Covestor. There are actually two sites that exist where you can apply for entry. They are heavily populated by people who already work at hedge funds, so the process is pr…

I'm the technical guy behind SumZero and I'd have to say that your comments are spot on. It can be very difficult to get a good rating on the site, those ideas that do tend to be exceptional and get a significant amount of attention.

Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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I like how he described raising money for equity as "one step up from human trafficking... they try to own part of you." A different view on a process that's totally normal in the startup world...

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I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better. I'll give a couple observations: 1. It's becoming easier to find people with good track records. No, I am not talking about KaChing or Covestor. There are actually two sites that exist where you can apply for entry. They are heavily populated by people who already work at hedge funds, so the process is pr…

I'm the technical guy behind SumZero and I'd have to say that your comments are spot on. It can be very difficult to get a good rating on the site, those ideas that do tend to be exceptional and get a significant amount of attention.

Do you know about any other of those types of clubs?

Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better. I'll give a couple observations: 1. It's becoming easier to find people with good track records. No, I am not talking about KaChing or Covestor. There are actually two sites that exist where you can apply for entry. They are heavily populated by people who already work at hedge funds, so the process is pr…

What interesting little tid-bits you've dropped in this comment. I wonder, could you follow up with a more full-fledged article? I don't see your blog linked to your account on here but I'd love to read something like this.

If you have any questions feel free to ask them here and I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities.

Re: How to Start a Hedge Fund

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I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better. I'll give a couple observations: 1. It's becoming easier to find people with good track records. No, I am not talking about KaChing or Covestor. There are actually two sites that exist where you can apply for entry. They are heavily populated by people who already work at hedge funds, so the process is pr…

I'm the technical guy behind SumZero and I'd have to say that your comments are spot on. It can be very difficult to get a good rating on the site, those ideas that do tend to be exceptional and get a significant amount of attention.

Also, and sorry for the plug, but I think it is relevant here. If you are interested in seeing the quality of ideas that come through SumZero you should sign up for our individual investor mailing list - http://sumzero.com/retail/users. Each week we send out a top idea to the members on the list. edit: There are some sample ideas on that page.
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