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Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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It provides distributed trust for the class of problems wherein you have multiple competitive parties trying to achieve consensus on a sequence of transactions (or contracts, if you will). I believe a massive number of social and societal problems are solved by distributed trust models in the same ways free market economies generally lead to more equality and democracy leads to more freedoms.

Can you give me an example?

Anything involving a clearing house.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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> It's distributed trust. That's the problem it solves. It's incredibly cool technology. That solves a specific problem. That's still not it. "Distributed Trust" isn't a problem, its a trait. What actual problem is solved by distributed trust?

You're right, I pointed to the solution instead of the problem. I'm still an engineer at heart, it seems! What should I have said instead? Centralization of data? Unreliability of single-points-of-failure?

No, those aren't real problems either. Problems are experienced by humans. Humans willing to pay money for solutions.

Actual problems are things like "I want to buy this candy bar," or "I want to fly to New York in August and I need to pay for the ticket." Those are problems Bitcoin, as "a purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash" [1], was intended to solve. It didn't.

As far as I can tell, the main problems blockchains "solve" are things like, "I would like to run a Ponzi scheme and not go to jail." Or, "I would like to hype something and make a lot of money off people." Or, "I would like my consulting company to bill a lot of hours." Or, "I would like to gamble on price fluctuations, and gold isn't volatile enough for me." But I wouldn't call any of those real problems in the sense of being things where solving them is positive sum for the society as a whole.

I would be happy to be proven wrong, of course. Blockchains are a cool technology. But I've spent nearly a decade asking for actual customer problems that are demonstrably solved better by a blockchain. I haven't found one yet.

[1] https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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Can you give me an example?

Anything involving a clearing house.

What about all the existing clearing houses we have today? How have they managed to survive without Blockchain?

Again. What specific problem does Blockchain solve?

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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I think I'd have to argue that real estate has existed for much, much longer than a few decades :D I'm a pretty big sceptic on all of this crypto BS, but the ownership of real estate assets seems like a pretty archaic system of not easily inspected pieces of paper. Having a public, provable system for recording this information (and possibly other related info, e.g. liens) seems like it would be of some use. The syst…

> the ownership of real estate assets seems like a pretty archaic system of not easily inspected pieces of paper. Having a public, provable system for recording this information (and possibly other related info, e.g. liens) seems like it would be of some use. The system we have works, but it could work better. This already exists in many states. It's a political problem (whether or not to use of tax money to pay for…

From what I've heard from insiders at the BigCos who are buying many of these 'blockchain solutions', the main advantage of blockchain is that it is a sexy buzzword which convinces management to pay for BigCo to update/solve some unglamorous problem they weren't willing to throw money at beforehand.

'I presided over the digitization of all old records' isn't something an MBA type necessarily wants on their CV, so they won't push for it no matter the value to the company.

However 'I lead a team implementing a solution to digitize and store records on the blockchain' is how the MBA type gets a promotion/new job offer and how the technical guys can get the budget to do important stuff that was otherwise too unglamorous to be prioritized...

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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Speaking as a longtime skeptic, A16Z has actually produced the single clearest answer I've seen to that question: blockchains may be good for bootstrapping new network effects by giving early participants in a network (in a Metcalfe's Law sense of network) an incentive to participate. Pure utility tokens can be like call options on the eventual value of the network if it gets off the ground. It's a novel way of solvi…

The best thing I've seen blockchains used for, besides currency, is as an integration platform for a non-centralized supply chain. There's really no money in it, since there aren't any gatekeepers, but that's sort of the point. The idea is that the farmer picks his carrots, puts them in a box and sends them off to the carrot juice guy. When he does this he puts a upc code on the side of the carrot box and then puts t…

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Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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If the only problem is that we've wasted a lot of time, and in the end one company builds one product that changes the world, then maybe it's worth it.

The existence of a positive net result is not sufficient justification for a poor, inefficient, or wasteful process that led to that result.

It is if you're a utilitarian.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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You're right, I pointed to the solution instead of the problem. I'm still an engineer at heart, it seems! What should I have said instead? Centralization of data? Unreliability of single-points-of-failure?

The original bitcoin whitepaper is focused on avoiding double-spend of digital cash, facilitating non-reversible transactions in a way that's not vulnerable to collapse or suborning of the central counterparty. It has the following statement in its introduction: "Completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible, since financial institutions cannot avoid mediating disputes. The cost of mediation increase…

But with non-reversable transactions, you still have the trust issue. Now it's that the customer has to trust the merchant, that they're not going to completely rip them off.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

#138

Speaking as a longtime skeptic, A16Z has actually produced the single clearest answer I've seen to that question: blockchains may be good for bootstrapping new network effects by giving early participants in a network (in a Metcalfe's Law sense of network) an incentive to participate. Pure utility tokens can be like call options on the eventual value of the network if it gets off the ground. It's a novel way of solvi…

The best thing I've seen blockchains used for, besides currency, is as an integration platform for a non-centralized supply chain. There's really no money in it, since there aren't any gatekeepers, but that's sort of the point. The idea is that the farmer picks his carrots, puts them in a box and sends them off to the carrot juice guy. When he does this he puts a upc code on the side of the carrot box and then puts t…

This is solvable without blockchain though. Supply chain tracking already happens at the moment without Blockchain.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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More breathless fawning rhetoric and nebulous jargon, but I guess the target audience is blockchain enthusiasts so that makes sense. At the end of the day it's their money, so what I do I care? I find it frustrating when I hear comparisons of the blockchain to internet and cellphone communication platforms. The potential use cases for the internet and cellphones were immediately obvious (instant remote communication)…

>The potential uses cases for the internet and cellphones were immediately obvious (instant remote communication) and available on day one, compared with blockchains which has given us bitcoin and nothing else of unique value. Bitcoin has unquestionably provided folks looking to work outside traditional financial systems (and governance) value. You can see it in the black market use and its use in ransoming everythin…

> Bitcoin has unquestionably provided folks looking to work outside traditional financial systems (and governance) value. You can see it in the black market use and its use in ransoming everything from Game of Thrones to hospital records. It was used this way almost from day one.

Yes, I covered that when I said the blockchain gave us bitcoin, and that's all it's done as far as unique value.

> Also, the use of smartphones as this "instant remote communication" doesn't begin to describe where the technology led, which was to the smartphone which is some type of multimedia device capable of far more than its initial concept.

So what? My point is that "instant remote communication" was a communication revolution that did not need to hunt for use-cases, the technology itself was inherently useful and it developed into something more because its ubiquity (a result of its near universal utility and appeal) created a market for competition between selling this device that literally everyone wanted.

The blockchain is not at all comparable to this. Most people can't even understand what the blockchain is (and that includes many technical people) and those who can at least understand what the blockchain does mostly come to the conclusion that they don't really have a use case for it (including the large majority of enthusiasts who don't do more than shuffle bits around between arbitrarily delimited distributed spreadsheets).

> you don't make a stronger point by downplaying the difference in value between when cellphone launched and what cell phone technology offers today.

You're incorrect. The two have nothing to do with eachother. "Smart devices" like palm-pilots existed for a long time but never took off because most people couldn't justify the purchase (since it really didn't do much for them). Fast forward to a time when everyone is already carrying around portable network computers because... and here it is again... they were clearly useful in their communication capability... it was a clever but natural opportunity to replace these "dumb phones" with computing devices that resemble computer systems that were already validated by the desktop market.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

#140

Speaking as a longtime skeptic, A16Z has actually produced the single clearest answer I've seen to that question: blockchains may be good for bootstrapping new network effects by giving early participants in a network (in a Metcalfe's Law sense of network) an incentive to participate. Pure utility tokens can be like call options on the eventual value of the network if it gets off the ground. It's a novel way of solvi…

The best thing I've seen blockchains used for, besides currency, is as an integration platform for a non-centralized supply chain. There's really no money in it, since there aren't any gatekeepers, but that's sort of the point. The idea is that the farmer picks his carrots, puts them in a box and sends them off to the carrot juice guy. When he does this he puts a upc code on the side of the carrot box and then puts t…

Honestly the bigger problem is that it DESTROYS value for middle men so badly that there are a ton of reasons not to do it. In any consumer product that sells a story or a history the idea of checking ones work has only potential destroy value.
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